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28 Apr 2020 11:56 |
I am looking for Ivy Keel b 1897/98 I think in Watford, Hertfordshire area.
I know she married Alfred H Montague in 1920 in Watford, and died there 1928 aged 31.
They had a son b 1921. Alfred Montague remarried in 1929 !
I cannot find her birth at all. Any suggestions please...…!!
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ArgyllGran
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28 Apr 2020 12:02 |
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Ivy Keel in the 1901 England Census Name: Ivy Keel Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Hammfield, Wiltshire, England [ Hammerfield on image] Civil Parish: Woodford Ecclesiastical parish: Wilsford and Woodford All Saints Town: Upper Woodford County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Amesbury Sub-registration district: Amesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 1949 Folio: 111 Page Number: 14 Household schedule number: 92 Household Members: Name Age James Keel 58 - shepherd, Bulford Wilts Elizabeth Keel 62 Mary Jane Mailey 17 - niece [Bailey on image ] Ivy Keel 4
Hammerfield, as shown in the image as her birthplace, appears (from a Google search) to be near, or maybe part of, Hemel Hempstead, Herts.
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28 Apr 2020 12:13 |
Thanks Argyll Gran. It may be her.
But I cannot find any birth reference to her on either FreeBMD, GRO site, or even Ancestry !!
Very confused!
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ErikaH
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28 Apr 2020 12:21 |
If she knew her father, he will be named on the marriage cert
If she didn't know him, she may have invented one. In that case, he would probably be recorded as 'deceased'
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28 Apr 2020 12:23 |
James and Elizabeth in 1881
Name: James Keel Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Elizabeth Keel Gender: Male Where born: Bulford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Woodford County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Road Marital status: Married Occupation: Shepherd Registration district: Amesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2064 Folio: 97 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age James Keel 38 Elizabeth Keel 42 Frank Keel 14 Bessie Keel 12 Mary Jane Keel 10
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28 Apr 2020 12:24 |
1911 Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
High Street East Hoathly Sussex, East Hoathly, Sussex, England
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Sarah Ann Bryant Head Single Female 76 1835 Dressmaker Sussex East Hoathly Frances Marwick Assistant Single Female 23 1888 Dressmaker Assistant Uckfield Sussex Margaret Mae Flynn Boarder Single Female 20 1891 Dressmaker Assistant Middlesex London Ne Lie Mae Flynn Boarder - Female 13 1898 School Middlesex London Ivy Keel Boarder - Female 14 1897 School Hertford Hammersfield
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28 Apr 2020 12:24 |
James with a new wife in 1911
Name: James Keel Age in 1911: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Bulford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Woodford County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Upper Woodford, Salisbury Marital status: Married Estimated Marriage Year: 1904 Occupation: Shepherd Registration district: Amesbury Registration District Number: 252 Sub-registration district: Amesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Piece: 12077 Household Members: Name Age James Keel 68 Anne Keel 57
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28 Apr 2020 12:31 |
Her marriage cert should give her father's name if known, which might help.
James's first marriage:
Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%) Keel James Amesbury 5a 215 KNIGHT Elizabeth Amesbury 5a 215
By 1911 James Keel had remarried:
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) Daniels Ann Salisbury 5a 390 Keel James Salisbury 5a 390
Presumably Ivy is some relation of James.
In 1891 he and Elizabeth only have the niece with them.
1881:
James Keel in the 1881 England Census Name: James Keel Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Elizabeth Keel Gender: Male Where born: Bulford, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Woodford County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Road Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Shepherd Registration district: Amesbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: Piece: 2064 Folio: 97 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age James Keel 38 Elizabeth Keel 42 Frank Keel 14 Bessie Keel 12 Mary Jane Keel 10
1871 mistranscribed on Ancestry:
James Thul in the 1871 England Census Name: James Thul [James Keel] Age: 28 Estimated birth year: 1843 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Bulford Wiltshire England Civil Parish: Ford and Laverstock County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Alderbury Sub-registration district: Britford ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 1952 Folio: 40 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age James Thul 28 Elizabeth Thul 32 Frank Thul 5 Besse Thul 2
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28 Apr 2020 12:43 |
Ivy in 1911
Name: Ivy Kul Age in 1911: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1897 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Hammerfield Civil Parish: East Hoathly
County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: High Street East Hoathly Sussex Occupation: School Registration district: Uckfield Registration District Number: 74 Sub-registration district: Framfield ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 4951 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Ann Bryant 76 Frances Markwick 23 Margaret Mac Flynn 20 Nellie Mac Flynn 13 Ivy Kul 14
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ArgyllGran
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28 Apr 2020 12:45 |
I suppose it's possible that Ivy was Bessie's illegitimate child, but perhaps registered under the unknown father's name.
Bessie Keel in the 1891 England Census Name: Bessie Keel Gender: Female Age: 22 Relationship: Servant Birth Year: 1869 Birth Place: Charlton All Saints, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Amesbury Ecclesiastical parish: Amesbury Residence Place: Amesbury, Amesbury, Wiltshire, England Registration district: Amesbury Sub registration district: Amesbury ED, Institution or Vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 1615 Folio: 55 Household Members: Name Age Arthur W Phelps 56 Emily J Ridout 32 Bessie Keel 22 George Ridout 65 Sarah Ridout 61
Bessie married Charles James Knight in 1906:
Bessie Knight in the 1911 England Census Name: Bessie Knight Age in 1911: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Charlton, Wiltshire Civil Parish: Gloucester County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: 16 Jersey Rd, Gloucester Marital status: Married Estimated Marriage Year: 1907 Registration district: Gloucester Registration District Number: 325 Sub-registration district: Gloucester Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Piece: 15306 Household Members: Name Age Charles James Knight 39 Bessie Knight 41
However, having checked all the births of Ivys in 1897-8 ,with no middle name, in Herts and Willts, I can't find one with mms Keel.
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28 Apr 2020 13:10 |
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National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
First name(s) Ivy Last name Keel Birth year - Birth date - Event year 1903 School name Hemel Hempstead, Boxmoor Junior, Middle & Infant School Town Hemel Hempstead County Hertfordshire Country England Parent name(s) Frank Book type Admissions Archive reference HED1/210/7
There is also Dorothy admitted 1902 and Daisy in 1903. All have Frank as parent or guardian and Hammerfield as an address.
This appears to be the family for these girls. No mention of Ivy though. EDIT She's already been posted visiting James and Elizabeth.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Frogmore Street, Tring, Berkhampstead, Hertfordshire, England
Frank Keel Lodger Married Male 24 1867 Watchmaker Wiltshire, England Ann Keel Lodger Married Female 22 1869 - Little Tring, Hertfordshire, England Bessie May Keel Lodger - Female 1 1890 - Tring, Hertfordshire, England
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hammerfield, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
Bessie Keel Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Tring, Hertfordshire, England Bessie M Keel Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Tring, Hertfordshire, England Sydney F Keel Son - Male 9 1892 - Watford, Hertfordshire, England Daisy E Keel Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Willesden, Middlesex, England Walter W Keel Son - Male 6 1895 - Willesden, Middlesex, England Dorothy Keel Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Willesden, Middlesex, England
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28 Apr 2020 13:15 |
KEEL, BESSIE MAY HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BERKHAMSTED Volume 03A Page 596
KEEL, SIDNEY FRANK JAMES HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 592
KEEL, DAISY EMMA HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 215
KEEL, WALTER WILLIAM HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 173
KEEL, DOROTHY MARY JANE HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 190
KEEL, CHARLES ALFRED HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in HEMEL HEMPSTED Volume 03A Page 719
KEEL, EVA MURIEL HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in HEMEL HEMPSTED Volume 03A Page 772
KEEL, VALENTINE RONALD HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in HEMEL HEMPSTED Volume 03A Page 819
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ArgyllGran
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28 Apr 2020 13:20 |
Frank is James and Elizabeth's son, as in 1881 census already posted.
Dorothy and Daisy are the children of his marriage in 1889:
Frank Keel in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Frank Keel Registration Year: 1889 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Berkhamstead Inferred County: Hertfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 812 Records on Page: Name Annie Maria Harrowell Frank Keel
KEEL, BESSIE MAY mms HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BERKHAMSTED Volume 03A Page 596
KEEL, DAISY EMMA mms HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 215
KEEL, DOROTHY MARY JANE mms HARROWELL GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 190
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ArgyllGran
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28 Apr 2020 13:26 |
So Ivy would seem to be either Frank's daughter from an extra-marital liaison, or Bessie's daughter, with Frank acting as guardian, which seems more likely.
Doesn't help find her birth, though!
Her marriage cert should be the first port of call, and hope it gives her father's name.
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alviegal
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28 Apr 2020 13:48 |
Not helping with her birth but young Ivy certainly enjoyed writing articles and essays. Here are a few snippits to 'Uncle Tom' which seems to be a 'club' for younger readers.
PRIZE LETTER | (Sent by Ivy Keel, 12, East Hoathly School). Dear Uncle Tom, saw in your last week's '' Sussex Express that you wanted this week a letter on my favourite game. Well I have many favourite games, but I think the one I like best is the game 13 August 1909 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, Sussex, England
COMMENDED ESSAYS, (Sent by Ivy Keel, 13, East Hoathly School). T Dear Uncle Tom, —I saw in your last weeks '' Sussex Express '' that you wanted this week a letter on any treat we had this Yuletide. Well, I think the most enjoyable time I have spent this 21 January 1910 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, Sussex, England
(Sent Ivy Keel, 13, East Hoathly School). Dear Unele Tom, saw in your last week's '• Sussex Express '' that you wanted this week letter 12 November 1909 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, Sussex, England
(Sent by Ivy Keel, 12, East Hoathly School). Dear Uncle Tom, saw in the 44 Sussex Express " that you wanted this week letter on our flower 17 September 1909 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, Sussex, England
PRIZE ESSAY (Sent by Ivy Keel, 13, East Hoathly National School). Dear Uncle Tom, saw in your last week's Sussex Express" that you wanted this week letter on harvest. We all know what anxiety this causes our friend the farmer, and also the nation, for 07 October 1910 - Sussex Agricultural Express - Lewes, Sussex, England
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28 Apr 2020 16:16 |
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Births Dec 1896 (>99%) Williams Ivy Keel Edmonton 3a 483
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28 Apr 2020 16:19 |
Record Transcription: England & Wales Births 1837-2006
First name(s) IVY KEEL Last name WILLIAMS Birth year 1896 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Harrowell District Edmonton County Middlesex Country England Volume 3A Page 483 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, England
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28 Apr 2020 16:53 |
Record Transcription: 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Albans, Hertfordshire, England
First name(s) Frank Last name Kell Relationship Prisoner Marital status Married Sex Male Age 34 Birth year 1867 Birth town Bulford Birth town as transcribed BULFORD Birth place England Birth place other as transcribed - Birth county Wiltshire Birth county as transcribed WILTSHIRE Occupation Watchmaker House name - House number - Street - Town - Parish St Albans Country England County Hertfordshire Municipal ward St Alban Registration district St Albans Other household member first name(s) - Other household member last name - Archive reference RG13 Piece number 1312 Folio 158 Page 3 Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain, England
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28 Apr 2020 17:08 |
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) Dell Alice Berkhampstead 3a 812 HANDLEY Thomas Berkhampstead 3a 812 Harrowell Annie Maria Berkhampstead 3a 812 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Keel Frank Berkhampstead 3a 812 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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28 Apr 2020 17:22 |
Record Transcription: 1911 Census For England & Wales
2 a Church Lane Tring, Tring Rural, Hertfordshire, England Learn about this record set What can I do with this record? View Image Add To Tree Report an Error Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Annie Maria Keel Head Married Female 42 1869 Char - Woman Littlle Tring Tring Herts Sydney Frank Keel Son Single Male 19 1892 Baker's Assistant Watfod Hert Walter William Keel Son Single Male 16 1895 Fishmonger's Assistant Willesden Middlesex Valentine Ronald Keel Son - Male 8 1903 School
10 born 8 living 2 died
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