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Thank you Kay. Yes those records are the correct family.

William Fair
South Africa, Cape Province, Kimberley, Probate Records of the Supreme Court, 1871-1937
birth:
from 1872 to 1873
Cooper Fule Scotland
death:
1 July 1930
Mafeking
probate:
from 1929 to 1930
Kimberley, Cape Province, South Africa



William Fair a Tailor died Victoria Hospital 1/7/1930,Mafeking.
son of William and Catherine Fair,
husband of Mary Fair--Muir.
Children,
William George Robert Fair,
Mary Maytham?born Fair,
John Fair,
Harold Fair,
Gordon Fair,
Margaret Fair,
Robert Fair.

from familysearch..org

Thank you both ArgyllGran and ErikaH. I have just woken up here downunder for our street driveway dawn remembrance for Anzac Day, and was delighted to see both these last two entries. Certainly more to digest, all looks correct thank you so much.

Name: Wm George Fair
Arrival Age: 60
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1900
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Arrival Date: 16 May 1960
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Southampton; Balboa; Suva; Auckland; Sydney; Melbourne; Fremantle; Durban; Cape Town and Las Palmas
Ship Name: Southern Cross
Shipping Line: Shaw, Savill and Albion Company Ltd
Official Number: 8338/01


Name: William George Roberts Fair
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1900
Birth Place: Kimberley, Cape Province
Residence Year: 1947-1948
Marriage Date: 1931
Father: W Fair
Mother: Fair
Spouse: Kathleen jessie Kilpatrick
Notes: Other: Deputy Mayor



Name: Kathleen Jessie
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1906
Death Date: 5 Apr 1994
Death Place: Margate
High Court: KwaZulu-Natal High Court
High Court Provincial Division: Pietermaritzburg, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa
Estate Number: 2943/1994
Will: YES
Marital status: Widow
Customary Law: NO
Spouse: Fair
Pre-Deceased Spouse Name: William George Roberts Fair
Pre-Deceased Spouse Estate Number: 4013/71

I expect you've got this

Name: William Fair
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1872
Birth Place: Cupar,Fife,Scotland
Father: William Fair
Mother: Catherine Suttie
FHL Film Number: 1040100

Took a punt and had a look at what I guessed would be young John's birth cert:

FAIR
JOHN ALEXANDER
M
1903
485/B 71
Logie (Stirling)


John Alexander Fair.
Born 11 Oct 1903 at 9.30pm, at Rockvale, Westerton Drive, Bridge of Allan.
Father: William Fair, master tailor.
Mother: Mary Fair, ms Muir.
Parents' marriage: 1897, Sept 1st, Kimberley, Cape Colony.
Informant: William Fair, father, present at birth.



So having left the UK in May 1899, they obviously came back again before Oct 1903.
Presumably after the 1901 census, as they're not on that.

Hmmm, interesting. Thank you Kay. Certainly looks like them. Is it possible to find when they went to UK before returning as above?

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Name:
Mr W Fair
Gender:
Male
Age:
26
Birth Date:
abt 1873
Departure Date:
13 May 1899
Port of Departure:
Southampton, England
Destination Port:
Cape
Ship Name:
Gascon
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Hes a Tailor,also Mrs M Fair aged 26,and Miss M Fair aged 1.

Yes ErikaH, I agree with you. Pity though. Thank you.

The chap whose info I posted is the wrong age, wrong occupation, and no way of knowing what his forename was

First name(s) W
Last name Fair
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth year 1870
Marital status S
Occupation STOREMAN
Departure year 1893
Departure day 3
Departure month 6
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Drummond Castle
Ship official number 82861
Ship master's first name B A
Ship master's last name BRYAN
Shipping line DONALD CURRIE & COMPANY
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA
Ship destination country SOUTH AFRICA

Plus

First name(s) J
Last name Fair
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth year 1867
Marital status S
Occupation STOREMAN
Departure year 1893
Departure day 3
Departure month 6
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Cape
Destination CAPE
Country South Africa
Destination country South Africa
Ship name Drummond Castle
Ship official number 82861
Ship master's first name B A
Ship master's last name BRYAN
Shipping line DONALD CURRIE & COMPANY
Ship destination port SOUTH AFRICA

ArgyllGran, yes definitely my husbands family as he recognises names and children etc.
What we haven’t got is William’s first trip out to South Africa as a single man. He was married in South Africa to Mary Muir in 1898.
We think young John was born during the family trip back to Scotland,
Also the first post is correct.
Thank you so much.

ArgyllGran, I will be back shortly when I have read your posts, just about to have dinner here in Aus.

Possibly William 1872 on a later voyage - he's an outfitter, and your William was a tailor in 1891:

Wm Fair
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Wm Fair
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1872
Departure Date: 24 Nov 1904
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name: Afric
Master: J O Carter

Travelling with his wife (unnamed, 31), and children Mammie 6, William, 4 Cathie 2, and John 1.

The child William's age fits with the William George Roberts Fair posted above.
William 1872's parents were Catherine and William - also names of these children.

This is presumably a son of the W Fair who went to South Africa:

William George Roberts Fair
in the South Africa, Biographical Index, 1825-2005
Name: William George Roberts Fair
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1900
Birth Place: Kimberley, Cape Province
Residence Year: 1947-1948
Marriage Date: 1931
Father: W Fair
Mother: Fair
Spouse: Kathleen jessie Kilpatrick
Notes: Other: Deputy Mayor
Page Number: 267

There's also a travel record for him and his wife, going to Southampton in 1960 - but they're going to a London address, so not much help. Would have been nice if they'd been going to Auchtermuchty - or even anywhere in Scotland!

Thank you ErikaH. Does it name the ship please?

W Fair aged 23 occupation Storeman

Forename is not necessarily William

Also on same voyage J Fair, Storeman aged 26

Thank you Shirley. I found him on FMP, but couldn’t open the image.
Yes that is the family. William was a tailor.

It’s not coming up on ancestry or FMP

He seems to be still at home in 1891

Castlefield, Cupar, Fife, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Catherine Fair Head Widow Female 50 1841 - Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland
Isabella Fair Daughter Unmarried Female 28 1863 Yarn Winder Monimail, Fife, Scotland
William Fair Son Unmarried Male 18 1873 Tailor Cupar, Fife, Scotland
George Fair Son Unmarried Male 16 1875 Appr Clerk Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland

I have found William Fair b 1872 in Auchtermuchty, Cupar, Scotland, on a passenger list going to Cape, South Africa in 1893.
Would any kind person with a subscription be able to provide me with any more details?
Thank you in anticipation.