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ErikaH
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14 Apr 2020 08:52 |
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Roy
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14 Apr 2020 01:10 |
thank yo all that have answered my question. It sure is a mess. Is there anyone on here studying the Hawkless name or does anyone know how I can find someone studying the name. Roy
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 14:08 |
[Sorry, this post rambles - I was just jotting things down as I went through the record.]
Interestingly, this army record is transcribed as Hawkless, but the image shows the family surname as Candy. And the soldier is William ALEXANDER Candy, not born in 1900 as William Hawkless was.
William Arthur Hawkless in the New Zealand, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: William Arthur Hawkless [ William Alexander Candy on image ] Birth Date: 31 Jul 1897 Birth Place: Waingal Vic Enlistment Date: 1 Aug 1917 Father: John Henry Candy Father Birth Place: Australia Mother: Cecilia Margaret Candy Mother Birth Place: New Zealand Service Number: WWI 64012, WWII 34786
Very strange.
He and his parents had been resident in NZ for 9 years. Father Australian, mother NZ.
One page shows his name as William Arthur Candy, bur Arthur has been scored out and Alexander inserted.
I don't see any other records of any sort for a William Alexander Candy, born 1897 in Australia - nor for his named parents John Henry and Cecelia Margaret Candy.
William Hawkless was born 1900 in NZ.
William Arthur Hawkless in the New Zealand, Birth Index, 1840-1950 Name: William Arthur Hawkless Birth Date: Oct-Nov-Dec 1900 Registration Place: Invercargill, Otago, New Zealand Folio Number: 4636
Ah, but - a later page , from WW2, has him as William Arthur Hawkless.
Another WW2 page is for William Alexander Candy, but at the top of the page someone has written Hawkless, Wm A. William Alexander Candy's NOK is given as his aunt, Mrs J Hawkless, of Taumaranui.
An even later page has him back as William Arthur Hawkless, with wife Maud Mary, which is correct for William Arthur.
Then the image on Ancestry goes to "New File Begins", and after that there's a page for William Arthur Hawkless, born 4 Nov 1900 in NZ.
The next (and last) page is for William Alexander Candy (1897), but the name has been scored out, and William Arthur Hawkless written over it.
It looks as if the Army has confused William Arthur Hawkless's records with those of William Alexander Candy. But very odd if the Candy parents' names are also John Henry and Cecelia Margaret.
But apparently Mrs J Hawkless of Taumaranui (who I would assume is Cecelia Margaret) was listed as William Candy's aunt and NOK, as well as Cecelia Margaret (Candy) being named as his mother.
EDIT: Later -
found another record which has a note saying: "attested under name of Candy, Wm Alex [something] name signed 26.8.19 proved correct, Hawkless, Wm Arthur."
Hmmm - I wonder why he would give a false name , DOB and POB.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 13:06 |
This person travelling from Fremantle to Melbourne:
J Hawkless in the Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930 Name: J Hawkless Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1896 Arrival Port: Albany Vessel Name: Adelaide
An Ancestry member has posted:
"I think this is James Hawkless b Yambuk 1874 but West Aus records show him as dead in 1894 ????"
(Obviously wrong, if he's in NZ later.)
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 13:03 |
Don't know if relevant - age slightly out:
J Mr Hawkless in the Web: Victoria, Australia, Outward Passenger Index, 1852-1915 Name: J Mr Hawkless Age: 31 Birth Year: abt 1868 Departure Date: Aug 1899 Departure Place: Victoria, Australia Destination: BLUFF VIA HOBT Ship: MOKOIA Ship's Master: SINCLAIR W C Page: 3
There's also a Mr W Hawkless, 28, travelling with him.
I know that's only going to Hobart, but that, and other later Hawkless travels to NZ via Hobert are listed here:
https://tinyurl.com/vrke5l8
Sadly, no full names given.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 12:54 |
Re the 1921 Police Gazette record posted above, here's another record of it:
Persons Wanted TAUMARUNUI 30th March last, on warrant for failing to maintain his wife, Cecelia Margaret Hawkless, and children, John Henry Hawkless, age 45, height 6ft 3ins, labourer and sawmill hand, native of Australia, strong build, fresh complexion, dark hair, blue eyes, prominent nose, brown moustache; dressed in brown trousers, blue coat, and black felt hat
John Henry Hawkless in the New Zealand, Police Gazettes, 1878-1945 Name: John Henry Hawkless Age: 45 Birth Date: Abt 1876 Publication Date: 1921 Publication Place: New Zealand
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 12:47 |
John Henry Hawkless in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 Name: John Henry Hawkless (settler) Electoral Year: 1911 District: Taumarunui Region or Province: Manawatu-Wanganui
With: William Hawkless, settler.
Cecelia not listed with him.
Same address in 1914, listed as a labourer, no other Hawklesses with him.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Apr 2020 12:42 |
I expect you have this, although you don't mention his parents;
John Hawkless in the Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922 Name: John Hawkless Birth Date: Abt 1871 Birth Place: Yambuk, Victoria Registration Year: 1871 Registration Place: Victoria, Australia Father: John Hawkless Mother: Sarah Dyson Registration Number: 27500
??? John Henry Hawkless in the New Zealand, Police Gazettes, 1878-1945 Name: John Henry Hawkless Publication Date: 1921 Publication Place: New Zealand
Offence: Failing to maintain.
??? Jno Hawkless in the New Zealand, City & Area Directories, 1866-1954 Name: Jno Hawkless (labourer) Year: 1901 Residence: Clifton (Southland)
John Henry Hawkless in the New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981 Name: John Henry Hawkless Electoral Year: 1919 District: Waimarino Region or Province: Bay of Plenty Address: Taumarunui
Living with: Cecelia Margaret Grainger Hawkless; Charles Hawkless (labourer), William Hawkless (farmer).
Also in Waimarino in 1919 there's this woman:
Laura Hawkless, married, address Owhango
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ErikaH
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12 Apr 2020 11:51 |
Hawkless Cecilia Margaret Grainger — — 1925 New Zealand Electoral Rolls Australasia View transcript. Hawkless Cecilia Margaret Granger — — 1911 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand View transcript. Hawkless Cecilia Margaret Granger — 1963 1963 New Zealand Death Index New Zealand View transcript. Hawkless Cecilia Margaret Granger 1879 1963 1963 Purewa Cemetery Cremations New Zealand
Archer Cecilia Margaret Granger 1879 — 1879 New Zealand Birth Index New Zealand
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ErikaH
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12 Apr 2020 11:39 |
Hawkless John Henry — — 1911 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand View transcript. Hawkless John Henry — — 1914-18 New Zealand Ww1 Soldiers New Zealand
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Maddie
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12 Apr 2020 11:13 |
ancestry is free until tomorrow, a number of trees on there, join and send a message eg Annette Marslen Age: 60+ photographs attached to tree
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12 Apr 2020 02:00 |
You can find Heather here:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/index
Search for John Hawkless.
Rose
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12 Apr 2020 01:54 |
Reg Sherlock seems to know more:
https://www.geni.com/people/John-Hawkless/6000000000847935221
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Roy
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12 Apr 2020 01:14 |
I am trying to find any info on the above. He was my wifes grandfather. He was born in Yambuck, Victoria, Australia in 1871 and this is all the info I have on him. I do know he married a Cecelia Margaret Granger Archer in Invercargill in 1900 so he must have moved over to NZ before then. I have a second request does anyone know Heather Carlyle. I was taking to her about this subject 4 years ago but have lost touch. She lives in Christchurch, New Zaeland. Or did.
Roy Horwell
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