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Hello all
has anyone got access to railway records Hartfield to East Grinstead .
Iam sure i read my grandfather Frederick G Woodhams worked on the railway after the great war.In oct 1922 he married Florence May Creasey who was from East Grinstead .....Freaderick was born and living in Hartfied so i wonder if they met on the railway.
They both later moved to Tunbridge Wells 1929.

This time is a big hole in my G/F history/

I would appreciate any help given .

Barry :-)

10 Stabbs The Lodge Nevill Park, Royal Tunbridge Wells M.B., Kent, England

Woodhams household
(4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frederick G Woodhams 20 Jan 1899 Male Single Hansted Gardener Heavy Worker Married 52 1
Florence M Woodhams 28 Jun 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 52 2
Ray Woodhams 14 May 1922 Male Under Gardener Heavy Worker Single 52 3
Cela J Masters (Creasey) 06 Oct 1920 Female Drapers Assistant Single 52 4

The trade union membership record is not the right man

You need a copy of his marriage cert to find out his occupation at the time

Marriage cert 1922 says agr laborer but his son birth cer 1923 railway worker

If this is the record you mean, Barry (though it's not after WW1, so maybe not) , he's not your man - different DOB:

Frederick George Woodhams
in the UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956
Name: Frederick George Woodhams
Age: 15
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1894
Residence Date: 17 May 1910
Station: Paddington
Company: Great Western
Description: Register of Lad Clerks No.7 1908-1911

No definite records for him online other than census and BMD

1911 for everyone's info

Henry Thomas Woodhams Head Married Male 46 1865 Farm Labourer Sussex Withyham
Sophia Catherine Woodhams Wife Married Female 42 1869 - Kent Cowden
Albert E Woodhams Son Single Male 20 1891 Farm Labourer Sussex Hartfield
Frederick Woodhams Son - Male 12 1899 School Sussex Hartfield
Bertha Woodhams Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Sussex Hartfield
Charlie Woodhams Son - Male 7 1904 - Sussex Hartfield
Mary Woodhams Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Sussex Hartfield
Catherine Woodhams Mother - Female 72 1839 - N K

There's this record - but no way of knowing who this man was - no DOB or other identification:

F Woodhams
in the UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956
Name: F Woodhams
Residence Date [ Appointment Date on image ]: 2 Jul 1923
Station: Victoria
Company: London, Brighton and South Coast
Description: Register of Appointments 1905 - 1913

Occupation looks like Temporary Lad (something - "Ptr" ?) - sounds as if he should be younger than your Frederick.

Re railway records at the National Archives:

https://tinyurl.com/vcd9rnb

Interestingly, the London Brighton and South Coast Railway passed through Tunbridge Wells

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Woodhams Ray Creasey E.Grinstead 2b 206

Perhaps "Lad" is no indication of age, but just the name of a lowly rank.

I think the 'ptr' could be Porter

"The LB&SCR existed for 76 years until 31 December 1922 [ **** ], when it was wound up as a result of the Railways Act 1921 and merged with the London and South Western Railway and the South Eastern and Chatham Railway to form the Southern Railway."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Brighton_and_South_Coast_Railway


From same link -
in the 19th century -
"Beyond Oxted, the LB&SCR would build its own lines to link with the "Bluebell line" at East Grinstead and its line to Tunbridge Wells."


Re winding up in 1922 -
the ledger containing the 1923 record for F Woodhams ends in Dec 1923 - maybe it took a year to complete the merger, and they still needed employees during that time ?

ok thanks everyone

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Cathford Hill, Hartfield, Sussex, England
Henry T Woodhams Head Male 1864 56 Groombridge, Sussex, England Farm Labourer Mr J Osmare Farm Bailiff
Sophia C Woodhams Wife Female 1869 52 Sussex, England House Wife -
Albert E Woodhams Son Male 1891 30 Hartfield, Sussex, England Farm Labourer Mr J Osman Farm Bailiff
Frederick G Woodhams Son Male 1899 22 Hartfield, Sussex, England Farm Labourer Mr R Ansell Neaves Farm
Charlie Woodhams Son Male 1903 18 Hartfield, Sussex, England Farm Labourer Mr J Osman Farm Bailiff
Mary Woodhams Daughter Female 1911 10 Hartfield, Sussex, England - -

NOTE occupation!