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Thanks for the Helen Lander - still haven't followed that yet, puzzling over a few other things although still trying to bring the Ramsden side more up to date and struggling.

I currently have 3 different birth dates for Allan Ramsden - (currently using 1837). This one seems to be the most accurate, although his newspaper obituary of 1928 reflects a date of 1842 the family content seems most accurate with 1837. Yet I also have one showing 1851, is it common to find this sort of 'error'?

The one I am wrestling with t the moment is Florence Annie Ramsden (1903) I have just found her at age 17 married to Robert Clark (1897) but can find no record of her or any family after that. I know she was around in the early 50's as I met her briefly as a boy when visiting her sister my gran (Isabella Figtree) in Barnsley - any ideas?

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First name(s) Helen
Last name Lander
Death year 2015
Death date 23 Dec 2015
Probate year 2016
Probate date 19 Feb 2016
Residence town -
Registry Ipswich
County Suffolk
Country England
Document type Grant and will


Title Ms
First name(s) Helen
Last name Lander
Sex Female
Age 82
Birth year 1933
Birth date 00/00/1933
Death year 2015
Death date 23 Dec 2015
Residence Bures
Area Colchester

Helen was shown on 1939, so, unless it’s an error, she should be deceased

They were at an address in Essex in 2003-4, and may still be living.

That Essex house was sold in 2009, per mouseprice.com

Marriages Sep 1955 (>99%)
LANDER John W WILLIAMS Durham N.W. 1a 1627
WILLIAMS Helen LANDER Durham N.W. 1a 1627

Search birth here:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

All you need to put in is her name and her mother's maiden surname (Park) - then click "Find".

You can easily find her birth by looking for it on freebmd

Thanks again - do you have the age you mentioned for Helen in the 1939 register - I dont have her age (or birth place)

I mentioned it, but didn't actually post it.

Here it is:


James Edwin Williams
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: James Edwin Williams
Death Date: 25 Sep 1981
Death Place: Durham
Probate Date: 23 Feb 1982
Probate Registry: Newcastle-upon-Tyne

The image says:

WILLIAMS, James Edwin, of Fern Cottage, Knitsley Lane, Consett, county Durham, died 25 September 1981. Probate Newcastle-upon-Tyne 23 February. £46243.
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The fact that he was still in the family home doesn't mean he didn't marry.
There are a number of possible marriages in the Durham area for men named John E Williams.

You can buy a digital copy of his Will here for £1.50:

https://tinyurl.com/y9c4wfab

Instructions here:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Support/Help

Scroll down to "How to get your copy Grant and/or Will".

"You won’t be able to access the grant/will straight after ordering it. You will get an email confirming your order but this will not mean that your copy is ready to be downloaded.
You will get an email when it is ready to download. You will then be able to log in to the system and go to “My Wills” and save each available item to your computer. After you have logged in, the copy will be available for 31 days, so make sure that you save it before then."

Hi again ArgyllGran, still piecing things together thanks to all your help. Yes I am just trying to see records re the printer, there is a note on the companies house site that shows it liquidated and it says at the bottom Restoration by order... 28th Sept 2016.

I presume that Edwin didn't marry if he was still at Knitsley Lane. You mention a probate notice, have you pointed me to that somewhere?

Name: Samuel Joseph Ramsden
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1861
Birth Place: Barnard Castle
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1861
Baptism Place: Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Father: Allan Ramsden
Mother: Margaret Ramsden

RAMSDEN, SAMUEL JOSEPH WALKER
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in TEESDALE Volume 10A Page 188

Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
RAMSDEN Allan Teesdale 10a 311
WALKER Margaret Teesdale 10a 311

Name: Florence Annie Ramsden
Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1902
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1903
Baptism Place: Barnsley, St John the Baptist, Yorkshire, England
Father: Samuel Joseph Ramsden
Mother: Sarah Annie Ramsden


Name: Thomas Samuel Ramsden
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1891
Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1891
Baptism Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Father: Samuel Joseph Ramsden
Mother: Sarah Ann Ramsden

Name: Emily Ramsden
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 9 Jan 1890
Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1891
Baptism Place: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Father: Samuel Joseph Ramsden
Mother: Sarah Ann Ramsden

So many thanks to all who have helped so far, especially the patience of ArgyllGran and ErikaH. I have now loaded much of my stuff into my tree - although some way to go with dates and deaths etc. The letter seems to have been from Sarah and 'Ramsden' at Fern Cottage which I have now found a picture of. They latterly moved to Sniperley Hall (and farm) which now seems to be an Hotel, although I see a redevelopment happened in 2018 so dreading what that might be - unless that was when the hotel conversion was done. So thankyou again!! :-)

AG - You're right. I've corrected the erroneous column in my table

Re December 30th 1950 being a Saturday:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_1950

You don’t need her MOTHER’S name - you put SARAH’s maiden name in your tree She was MILLER.
The marriage record is in my post
Please read it carefully..............

Hi again ErikaH.
We seem to have a problem here, I think there is maybe another Samuel Joseph or the record is showing the father rather than the husband.
I have a census record from GU clearly showing that in 1911 Samuel lived at 2 |Myndon Street in Lancaster with his daughter Florence Annie aged 8 (born 1903) and his wife Sarah Anne born (1868) years of marriage 23 (therefore married 1888).
This also fits with the fact that I met Florence - my mothers aunt around 1950.
I know I have miss named Samuels wife as Ramsden at present as I don't yet have her mothers name.

Thanks for your efforts there ngnv I hope to make use of that!! :-)

Years after 1900 when Dec 30 was a Sat
AAA-Spacer-AA 1905
1911 1916 1922 1933
1939 1944 1950 1961
1967 1972 1978 1989
1995 2000 2006 2017 etc

A normal year is 52w + 1 day
A leap year is 52w + 2 day
7 x 4 = 28
Usually, there's a 28 year cucle which lasts for 100 y between XY00 and XY99
This time, since 2000 was a leap year (divisible by 400), the cycle lasts for 200 y before the 2100 reset.

Many thanks, I realise what has happened now?