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Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
HARRIS Edward Luton 3b 994
PINNER Eliza Luton 3b 994

1871

Name: Harriet Harris
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: 1864
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Caddington Bedfordshire England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 1574
Folio: 26
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Harris 42
Eliza Harris 40
Esther Harris 16
Eliza Harris 14
Arthur Harris 11
Harriet Harris 7

PINNEY, HARRIET - No mother's maiden name
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 409


Could be that Arthur didn't know who his father was..............................

I found the. marriage on Family Search .Org

Arthur Pinner 1860 Luton Beds Father William Pinner

Eliza Annetts 1861 Chilton Berkshire Father William Annetts

Marriage Luton Bedfordshire 13 th May 1882

On 1901 Census he has changed his name to Arthur Pinney along with Eliza Pinney

So I just wondered if this info was ok

Thankyou Olive

?????????????1881
Name: Arthur Pinney
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Eliza Harris
Gender: Male
Where born: Caddington, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Dallow Lane
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1649
Folio: 19
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Harris 48
Eliza Pinney 23
Arthur Pinney 21

Where is the info about father's name William?

Please C&P for us all to see

Name: Percy Thomas Pinney
Death Date: 23 Sep 1954
Death Place: Bedfordshire, Bedford, England
Probate Date: 2 Nov 1954
Probate Registry: London, England
Administration to Annie Pinney, widow

Hi and Thankyou for your reply


What I am trying to find out is
One Arthur Pinney / Pinner Father is === William Pinner

And the other one is Arthur Pinney Father is === Thomas Pinney

So wouldn’t think they are the same Arthur Pinney ,unless it’s and error

Thankyou
Olive Jean

Looking back, I now see that a huge amount of reserch has already been done for you on this name

Could you say exactly what you are now asking, please.

From familysearch

Name:
Arthur Pinney
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
19 Nov 1910
Event Place:
Luton, Bedfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Christ Church Luton
Age:
48
Marital Status:
Widowed***********************************************you didn't mention this fact
Birth Year (Estimated):
1862
Father's Name:
Thomas Pinney
Spouse's Name:
Emma Smith
Spouse's Age:
28
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated):
1882
Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Smith

Can't see any record of the marriage to Emma Smith with father's names included

emma

????
EMMA
Last name PINNEY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1884
Age 27
Death quarter 1
Death year 1911
District Luton
County Bedfordshire
Volume 3B
Page 263

?? died in childbirth

1871
Dunstable Road Dallow Lane, Luton, Bedfordshire, England
William Pinner Head - Male 42 1829 - Bedfordshire, England
Arthur Pinner Son - Male 14 1857 - Bedfordshire, England
Frederick Pinner Son - Male 12 1859 - Bedfordshire, England
Walter Pinner Son - Male 10 1861 - Bedfordshire, England

From the info above, it would appear that Arthur re-married shortly after Eliza's death, although why he would choose to name his son Percy is beyond me, as the other Percy was well and truly alive.

You need a copy of the 1910 marriage cert for info about his declared status

OK - looks like this is the other couple

1891

Name: May Pinney
Gender: Female
Age: 5
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1886
Father: Frederick Pinney
Mother: Kate Pinney
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Registration district: Luton
Sub registration district: Luton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1271
Folio: 103
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Pinney 32
Kate Pinney 34
Kate Pinney 4
Frederick Pinney 9
Arthur Pinney 7
May Pinney 5
Louisa Pinney 3
Flora Pinney 4/12

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
Annetts Katharine Wantage 2c 558a
PINNEY Frederick Wantage 2c 558a

PINNEY, ARTHUR ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 429
PINNEY, HENRY JOSEPH ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 430
PINNEY, EMILY ROSE ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 435
PINNEY, MAUD ESTHER ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 428
PINNEY, MAY BEATRICE ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 403
PINNEY, BEATRICE MAY ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 435
PINNEY, DAISY KATE ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 448
PINNEY, FLORENCE ETHEL ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 431
PINNEY, LOUISA MABEL ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 428
PINNEY, PERCY THOMAS ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 425
PINNEY, WALTER EDWIN ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 431
PINNEY, WILFRED ANNETTS
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 401

Clearly, the above could not all have been born to one set of parents, but I can't see marriages at present to help with allocation

EDITED

Eliza's marriage to Arthur

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
ANNETTS Eliza Luton 3b 742
PINNER Arthur Luton 3b 742

PERCY H
Last name PINNEY
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Smith
District Luton
County Bedfordshire
Country England
Volume 3B
Page 349

as previously posted.

eliza died
Name: Eliza Pinney
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Luton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 303

Eliza's death

Name: Eliza Pinney
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 45
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 303

1911

Name: Percy Pinney
Age in 1911: 3/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1911
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Street address: 71 Ivy Road, Luton, Beds
Marital status: Single
Registration district: Luton
Registration District Number: 178
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 9011
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Smith 54
Harriett Smith 48
Joseph Smith 23
Elizabeth Smith 19
Frederick Smith 17
George Smith 15
Elsie Smith 12
Arthur Smith 8
Winniefred Smith 2
Arthur Pinney 51..............................Widower
Percy Pinney 3/12

1891

Name: Percy T Pinney
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1889
Father: Arthur Pinney
Mother: Eliza Pinney
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Registration district: Luton
Sub registration district: Luton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1271
Folio: 105
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Pinney 30..............................Labourer, born Luton
Eliza Pinney 29
Arthur Pinney 6
Emily K Pinney 4
Percy T Pinney 2
Daisy Pinney 2/12

1901
Name: Eliza Penney
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Arthur Penney
Birth Place: Clifton, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: Biscott Holy Trinity
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Luton
Sub-registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1515
Folio: 130
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 230
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Penney 40
Eliza Penney 37
Maud E Penney 17
Arthur Penney 16
Emily R Penney 14
Perry M Penney 13
Beatrice M Penney 8
Wilfred Penney 6



1911

Name: Percy Pinney
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Luton, Bedfordshire, England
Search Photos:
County/Island: Military
Country: England
Rank: Private
Military Unit: 2 Bedfordshire Rgt
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: Bermuda and Jamaica
Piece: 34992

PINNEY, PERCY HAROLD SMITH
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in LUTON Volume 03B Page 349

To find birth info look at freebmd

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
or - better still - the GRO site

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Hi
I meant to say one Father is William Pinner / Pinney

The other Father is Thomas Pinney ??
Thankyou Olive