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Anne

Anne Report 31 Jan 2020 01:54

Looking for any information on Joyce Martha Banks she live at 44 Chapel St Accrington in 1918. She was born in Shropshire.

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 07:26

Welcome to the boards Anne.

What more can you tell us so we can help.

About how old was she in 1918?

Was that her birth name or married name?

Was she living with anyone?

How did you work back to her, is she related to you?

What is the significance of the 1918 address?


greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 07:32

Could this be her birth -
from this FREE to use site https://www.freebmd.org.uk

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
Banks Joyce Martha Madeley 6a 639

and also here - you need to register but then FREE to use. Shows Mother's maiden name pre 1912 whereas freebmd doesn't

https://www.gro.gov.uk
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BANKS, JOYCE MARTHA MICKLEWRIGHT
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in MADELEY UNION Volume 06A Page 639

It's a good idea to get used to using both sites

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 08:03

Then look for her in census records -

1911 Census For England & Wales
48 St Edmund St Great Harwood, Great Harwood, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Williams Banks Head Married Male 39 1872 Coal Miner Hewer Tottleworth Lanc
Elizabeth Ann Banks Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Liverpool Lanc
Thomas Banks Son Single Male 17 1894 Warehouse Boy Cotton Gt Harwood
Joyce Martha Banks Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Winder Cotton Gt Shropshire Avon Bridge
Jane Hannah Banks Daughter - Female 14 1897 Reacher Cotton Gt Harwood Lanc
Absolom Banks Son - Male 11 1900 School Gt Harwood Lanc
Alice Banks Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Gt Harwood Lanc
George Banks Boarder Single Male 30 1881 Reacher Cotton Gt Harwood Lanc

Original shows William and Elizabeth have been married 4 years and had one child

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So ? this marriage with daughter Alice

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
BANKS William Blackburn 8e 749 <<<<<<<<<<
BENTLEY Rhoda Blackburn 8e 749
Gayman Elizabeth Ann Blackburn 8e 749 <<<<<<<<<
MATTISON Charles Blackburn 8e 749

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BANKS, ALICE GAYMEN
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 333

So looks like Joyce had a different Mother

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 08:04

This looks to be Joyce in 1901 with family

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
11, Road, Great Harwood, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Banks Head Married Male 28 1873 Coal Miner Drawer Rishton, Lancashire, England
Eliza E Banks Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Ironbridge, Shropshire, England
Joyce M Banks Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Ironbridge, Shropshire, England
Jane H Banks Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Great Harwood, Lancashire, England
Absolom Banks Son - Male 1 1900 - Great Harwood, Lancashire, England
George Banks Brother Single Male 20 1881 Labourer Out Door Great Harwood, Lancashire, England


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But again - Both younger children have a different Mother's maiden name

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BANKS, JANE HANNAH NICHOLLS
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 355

BANKS, ABSALOM NICHOLLS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 346

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 08:24

Going back to the Thomas on the 1911 census - he may also have Nicholls as mmn

BANKS, THOMAS NICHOLLS
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 364

and there would be this marriage to back that up, but then Joyce's birth makes no sense

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
Banks William Blackburn 8e 546
Duckworth Betsy Ann Blackburn 8e 546
Nicholls Eliza Ellen Blackburn 8e 546
Wilkinson Robert Bradley Blackburn 8e 546

Need to dig deeper, but out of time for the moment. Will try to get back later, but someone else may be up and around by now and sort it out

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 31 Jan 2020 09:09

church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Joyce Martha Banks
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1895
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Apr 1927
Parish: Haslingden, Lancashire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Haslingden' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Spouse: Fred Wood
Spouse Age: 26
Father: William Banks
Spouse Father: Fred Wood
Register Type: Parish Register

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 31 Jan 2020 09:10

Joyce M Wood
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: abt 1895
Registration Date: Oct 1957
[Nov 1957]
[Dec 1957]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Haslingden
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10c
Page: 381

She left a will
She died in the Royal Victoria hospital Accrington.and left her estate to her husband Fred Wood

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2020 09:11

Perhaps Eliza's mother married and Micklewright was her stepfather's surname?

First name(s) Eliza Ellen
Last name Nicholls
Birth year -
Baptism year 1871
Baptism date 25 Sep 1871
Denomination Anglican
Place Ironbridge
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Julia Nicholls
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1870-1900
Archive reference P145/A/1/2
Page 7
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 31 Jan 2020 09:15

This is Joyce baptism

Joyce Martha Banks
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 3 Mar 1895
Baptism Place: Iron Bridge, Shropshire, England
Father: William Banks
Mother: Eliza Ellen
FHL Film Number: 1657510
Reference ID: item 9-10 p 86

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2020 09:52

This is the significance of the address - Haslingden district covers Accrington

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Banks Annie Banks Haslingden 8e 146

This person is in the OP's tree

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 31 Jan 2020 10:53

Annie Banks
1918–1989
BIRTH 26 MAY 1918 • 44 Chapel Street, Accrington, Lancashire, Eenland
DEATH 17 JAN 1989 • Acacia Ridge, Queensland, Australia


Marriage

Marriages Dec 1948
Banks Annie Grieco Haslingden 10c 649
Grieco Giuseppe Banks Haslingden 10c 649

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2020 10:59

Here's where the Mickelwright comes from. Eliza Ellen's mother married a Mickelwright. Convenient that Joyce Martha's brother Thomas is with his grandmother in 1901.

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Coalport Road, Madeley, Shropshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Thomas Mickelwright Head Married Male 52 1849 General Labourer Iron Bridge, Shropshire, England
Julia Mickelwright Wife Married Female 51 1850 - Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Ben Mickelwright Brother Single Male 46 1855 General Labourer Iron Bridge, Shropshire, England
Thomas Banks Grand Son - Male 7 1894 - Lancashire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 11:23

Just knew someone else would be around and sort it !!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
EDWARDS Thomas Madeley 6a 1157
Micklewright Thomas Madeley 6a 1157 <<<<<
NICKLESS Julia Madeley 6a 1157 <<<<<
ROGERS Hannah Madeley 6a 1157

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 11:30

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ropers Hill, Madeley, Shropshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Micklewright Head Married Male 43 1848 General Laborer Madeley, Shropshire, England
Julia Micklewright Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Rose Hannah Micklewright Daughter Single Female 12 1879 - Ironbridge, Shropshire, England
Martha A Trevor Visitor Single Female 15 1876 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
.

First name(s)

greyghost

greyghost Report 31 Jan 2020 11:44

Watch for variant spellings -

Different spellings for first and surnames (Rose Hannah. Rosannah/Rosanna) and
(Nicholls/Nicholes/Nickless).

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ropas Hill, Madeley, Shropshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Micklewright Head Married Male 33 1848 Labourer Shropshire, England
Lucy Micklewright Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Eliza Micklewright Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Ironbridge, Shropshire, <<<<<<<<
Rosannah Micklewright Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Scholar Ironbridge, Shropshire, England

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MICKLEWRIGHT, ROSANNA NICHOLES
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in MADELEY UNION Volume 06A Page 681

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2020 11:55


First name(s) Julia
Last name Nicholds
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1849
Baptism date 26 Aug 1849
Residence Shifnal, Shropshire, England
Place Shifnal
County Shropshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Nicholds
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Anne

Anne Report 8 May 2020 02:55

Thank you all for your help. Was wondering if I was to get Julia birth cert. what spelling of her last name would I have to use. Also as she also used Lucy its a bit confusing.

Anne

Anne Report 8 May 2020 03:55

Also How would I be able to find out who Eliza real father is?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 8 May 2020 10:39

To order a copy of the birth cert, you must use the info exactly as per the GRO index, otherwise they will not supply it.

Having said that, was her birth actually registered? And you've got the names of her parents from the baptism.

If Eliza was illegitimate, you have no way of finding out who fathered her