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Mary Ann Gough (married name Warner) b c 1852

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Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 22 Jan 2020 20:19

I have been trying for years to trace my g.g.grandmother's parents but with no success. Her name was Mary Ann Gough, born circa 1852 and she married William Warner. She died in 1873 leaving her son Richard, my g.grandfather, who was only two. Any information, no matter how vague, would be most appreciated.
With very many thanks.
Liz

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jan 2020 20:21

Buy a copy of the marriage cert. If she knew her father, his name and occupation will be recorded

You haven’t given any location information

safc

safc Report 22 Jan 2020 20:26

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place West Bromwich
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 13
Marriage date 28 Aug 1871
Groom forename William
Groom surname WARNER
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Groom abode West Bromwich
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname GOUGH
Bride age 20
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode West Bromwich
Groom father forename Richard
Groom father surname WARNER
Groom father occupation Forge man
Bride father forename Richard
Bride father surname GOUGH
Bride father occupation Forge man
Witness1 John INSLEY
Witness2 Mary Ann CHINN
Notes Bride & both witnesses sign X
Transcribed by Dale Braden
File line number 13

Rambling

Rambling Report 22 Jan 2020 20:26

Father on cert Richard Gough occ Forge man

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS/STAFF/MAR/285754/2

Staffordshire Marriages

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Gough
Age 20
Birth year 1851
Marriage year 1871
Marriage date 28 Aug 1871
Marriage place West Bromwich, Christ Church
Denomination Anglican
Residence West Bromwich
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Gough
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Warner
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence West Bromwich
Spouse's father's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's father's last name Warner
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D4031/1/16
Page 7
Register type Marriage
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Jan 2020 20:51

Elizabeth has posted on a defunct lookup offer thread giving the info found above plus a little more

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1090204?page=7

Rambling

Rambling Report 22 Jan 2020 21:19

Elizabeth can you please give the cenus for 1871 as I am not finding it?

safc

safc Report 22 Jan 2020 21:47

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Census Year County Place Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1861 Staffordshire (STS) Wolverhampton Wolverhampton St. John's 1997 44 87 30 188 Double Building
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
GOUGH Richard Head M M 35 Furnaceman STS Bilston
GOUGH Harriot Wife M F 34 STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Joseph Son U M 13 Furnace Boy STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH William Son U M 10 Gas Tube Maker STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Edward Son U M 9 Scholar STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Jane Dau U F 7 Scholar STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Emma Dau U F 4 Scholar STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Harriet Dau U F 2 STS Wolverhampton
GOUGH Ellen Dau U F 3w STS Wolverhampton

safc

safc Report 22 Jan 2020 21:51

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St Peter
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 05 Oct 1846
Groom forename Richard
Groom surname GOUGH
Groom age full age
Groom occupation Furnaceman
Bride forename Harriet
Bride surname RICKHUSS
Bride age 20
Groom father forename B.
Groom father surname GOUGH
Groom father occupation Furnaceman
Bride father forename H.
Bride father surname RICKHUSS
Bride father occupation Miner
Transcribed by Michael Clarke
File line number 1553

malyon

malyon Report 22 Jan 2020 22:37

says mary ann is 21yrs in 1873 she could not have been 20 yrs when she married in 1871

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
WARNER Mary Ann 21 W. Bromwich 6b 442

safc

safc Report 22 Jan 2020 23:09

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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St John
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 24 Dec 1871
Person forename Mary Ann
Person sex F
Father forename Richard
Mother forename Harriet
Father surname GOUGH
Person abode Green Lane
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Jonathan Maxfield
File line number 2317

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 23 Jan 2020 09:42

So Caroline married Daniel Chinn and then Joseph Hughes? Is this Caroline you mentioned on the other thread? Transcribed as Cohea.

Name: Caroline Cohea
County: Staffordshire
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Registration District: West Bromwich
Residence Note: Richard Street West
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Marital Status: Widowed
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1833
Birthplace: Warwick, Warwickshire
Page Number: 7
Registration Number: RG09
Piece/Folio: 2026 / 5
Affiliate Record Type: Household


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Caroline Cohea Head F 28 Warwick, Warwickshire
Mary Ann Cohea Daughter F 8
Betsey Cohea Daughter F 5 West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Caroline Cohea Daughter F 3 West Bromwich, Staffordshire

Household ID: 2382142
Line Number: 5
GS Film Number: 101817788
Digital Folder Number: 101817788
Image Number: 00009

Rose

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

CHINN, BETSEY GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 607
CHINN, MARY ANN GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 508
CHINN, CAROLINE GOUGH
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 635

Rose

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Here's the Insley connection:

Name: Carroline Gough
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Registration District: West Bromwich
Residence Note: Ling Road
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Marital Status: Unmarried
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1833
Birthplace: Warwick, Warwickshire
Page Number: 13
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 2025 / 231
Affiliate Record Type: Household


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Insley Head M 42 , Warwickshire
Ann Insley Wife F 38 Warwick, Warwickshire
Carroline Gough Daughter F 18 Warwick, Warwickshire
William Gough Son M 9 Warwick, Warwickshire
John Insley Son M 14 West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Thomas Insley Son M 1 West Bromwich, Staffordshire

Household ID: 2275279
Line Number: 5

Rose

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jan 2020 15:30

This is the 1871 census Elizabeth mentions:

Mary Ann Gouff
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Gouff
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 187
Piece: 2980
Folio: 83
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Jatiy Griffiths 47
Harriot Griffiths 41
Harriot Griffiths 9
Matilda Griffiths 5
George Q Griffiths 2
Letitia Duffield 66
Mary Ann Gouff 19

Address: Richard Street South.


Next door is this household:

Betsey Chum
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Betsey Chum
[Betsey Chinn]
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich Staffordshire England
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 2980
Folio: 83
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Insley 61
John Insley 24
Margaret Gough 23 - Scotland, boarder
Margrat Ann Gough 8/12 - West Bromwich, boarder
Betsey Chum 16 - West Bromwich



and the next household along is this one:

William Gough
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Gough
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham Warwickshire England
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 2980
Folio: 83
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gough 28
Mary Ann Gough 27 - West Bromwich
William T Gough 7 - West Bromwich
John Gough 4 - West Bromwich
Elizabeth A Gough 1 - West Bromwich

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jan 2020 15:39

The above shows Margaret Ann Gough, 8 months, daughter of Margaret Gough, born Scotland.

Margaret Ann's birth:

GOUGH, MARGARET ANN -
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 723

And, sadly, her death:

Margaret Ann Gough
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Margaret Ann Gough
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 568


I can't see birth in Scotland of either Margaret Gough c1848, or Mary Ann c1852.
Of course, it may just be that their births weren't registered.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jan 2020 16:20

Posting just in case connected:

Richard Gough
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Richard Gough
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Ann Gough
Gender: Male
Where born: England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Parish Number: 655
Civil Parish: Shotts
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Gartness
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Brown Knowes
Occupation: Mill Furnace Man <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 10
Page: 28
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_172
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Gough 24
Ann Gough 22 - Kilpatrick, Dumbarton
Margaret Gough 4 - Shotts, Lanarkshire
James Gough 5 Mo - Shotts, Lanarkshire



Connected ??

Betsy Gough
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Betsy Gough
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 Jan 1857
Birth Place: Shotts,Lanark,Scotland
Father: Richard Gough
Mother: Ann Stewart
FHL Film Number: 6035516


Ann Gough with second husband?? (Can't see a marriage to Richard - either not registered, or maybe not married)

Elizabeth Gough
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: Elizabeth Gough
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Gartness, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 652/3
Registration district: Old Monkland Eastern District
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 43 Bridewell Row
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 151
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_118
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Barnet 34 - England
Ann Barnet 32 - Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire
Margaret Gough 9 [ step-daughter] Gartness, Lanarkshire
Jane Gough 6 - [ step-daughter], Pottery, Lanarkshire.
Elizabeth Gough 4 - daughter-in-law [ step-daughter ], Gartness, Lanarkshire
Marah Barnet 8 Mo - daughter, Glasgow


The second marriage:

Edward Barnett
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Edward Barnett
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1860
Marriage Place: Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Ann Stewart
FHL Film Number: 6035516



In West Bromwich by 1871:

Edward Barnett
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Edward Barnett
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich Staffordshire England
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 2981
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Barnett 44
Ann Barnett 42 - Scotland
Jane Barnett 16 - Scotland
Jenet Barnett 8 - West Bromwich
Richard Barnett 5 - West Bromwich
James Barnett 2 - Scotland
Thomas Barnett 0 - West Bromwich


Birth of son Thomas:

BARNETT, THOMAS mms STEWARD
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 737

And Richard:

BARNETT, RICHARD mms STEWART
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 705

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jan 2020 16:23

Possible death of Richard Gough:

GOUGH
RICHARD
32
mms BEACH
1858
622/2 227
Springburn

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jan 2020 18:22

In 1871 the Barnett family is living in Harwood Street (Cutlers End).

The next street the enumerator came to was Richard Street, where Mary Ann Gough, Betsey Chinn, etc were living.

Might be significant, or could be just coincidence.

Looking at Google Maps, I see that Richard Street joins Harwood Street at right angles.

Cutlers End is now called Lambert End, and is 0.2 miles from Richard Street per Google Maps.

"By the later 18th century there was some settlement at Ireland Green (the area around the present Gads Lane), Cutler's End (now Lambert's End), and Old End (the present Richard Street area)."
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/staffs/vol17/pp4-11