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Still alive in 1881:

John McCartney
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: John McCartney
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agness McCartney
Gender: Male
Where born: Twynholm, Kirkcudbrightshire
Registration Number: 864
Registration district: Dalbeattie
Civil Parish: Urr
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: 23 Station Rd
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 89
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_329
Household Members:
Name Age
John McCartney 60
Agness McCartney 62
Agness McCartney 7 - grand-daughter

But there's no record of his death on SP 1881-1901. Nor of Agnes's, assuming they remained in Kirkcudbrightshire.

There is no record of their marriage on SP - although that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't marry.

There is also no record of John's birth in Twynholm 1820 +/- 3.

The only one in the whole of Kirkcudbrightshire in that period is this one:

MCCARTNEY
JOHN
JOHN MCCARTNEY/SOPHIA WILSON FR60 (FR60)
M
02/05/1819
874/
10 59
Kirkpatrick Durham

But Kirkpatrick Durham is about 15 miles away from Twynholm.
As he's stated as born specifically in Twynholm in censuses, I'm 99% sure this isn't him.


Many births and marriages were not registered at that time - expensive - so it looks as if there's nothing we can find - except as Erika says, marriage info may be on one of the children's birth certs.
Scottish birth certs give place and date of parents' marriage,if any.

John & Agnes were alive in 1871, in Borgue

IF they married, which seems doubtful, the info will be on this cert

MCCARTNEY
ROBERT
M
1862
858/ 33
Borgue

When - and where - was he alleged to have married Agnes Kirk?


One of the children's baptism
MCCARTNEY
SAMUEL MAXWELL
JOHN MCCARTNEY/AGNES KIRK FR510 (FR510)
M
27/04/1850
883/
30 102
Twynholm

could be john's father

John Mccartney
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950





Name:
John Mccartney
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
03 Oct 1797
Christening Place:
, TWYNHOLM, KIRKCUDBRIGHT, SCOTLAND
Father's Name:
John Mccartney

Name:
John Mccartney
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1841
Event Place:
Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Address:
CULRAVEN
Gender:
Male
Age:
20
Occupation:
M S
Birthplace:
Kirkcudbrightshire
Schedule Type:
19
Parish:
Borgue
Piece/Folio:
3
County:
Kirkcudbrightshire
Birth Year (Estimated):
1821
Piece:
858
Digital Folder Number:
004021280
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Mcconchie Male 20 Kirkcudbrightshire
John Mccartney Male 20 Kirkcudbrightshire
Samuel Haining Male 15 Kirkcudbrightshire
Janet Sproat Male 15 Kirkcudbrightshire

Not sure if you have this but may be relevant


Record Transcription:
Scotland, Paternity Decrees 1750-1922

First name(s) John
Last name McCartney
Role Defender
Year 1840
Decree date 18 November 1840
Court Kirkcudbright
Child's sex Female
Child's birth date 1 October 1839
Defender's first name(s) John
Defender's last name McCartney
Defender's occupation Servant (to Matthew Gordon, Tenant)
Defender's residence Chapelton, Borgue
Pursuer's first name(s) Agnes
Pursuer's last name Johnstone
Pursuer's occupation daughter of Ninian Johnstone (Labourer)
Pursuer's residence Lairdmannoch, Tongland
County Kirkcudbrightshire
Country Scotland
Archive
National Records of Scotland
Archive reference SC16/7/8 p388
Image ordering
Order Original Record
Record set Scotland, Paternity Decrees 1750-1922
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Courts & Legal
Collections from Scotland, Great Britain



Above Agnes and child in 1841


Record Transcription:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Laird Mannorh, Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

Ninian Johnston Male 50 1791 Scotland
Mary Johnston Female 50 1791 Scotland
Agnes Johnston Female 25 1816 Scotland
Sarah Johnston Female 20 1821 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Jean Johnston Female 15 1826 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Mary McNaught Female 4 1837 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Sarah McArtney Female 1 1840 Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland

He's certainly on census records in Scotland after statutory registration began in 1855. If he died in Scotland, then his death registration will name his parents including his mother's maiden surname if the informant knew the details. As ArgyllGran has said, the Scotlandspeople website will be unavailable until Tuesday so you will not be able to look for his death until then.

Thank you

No help, but just for our reference -

John Mccartney
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Mccartney
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Agness Mccartney
Gender: Male
Where born: Twynholm, Kirkcudbright
Parish Number: 883
Civil Parish: Twynholm
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Holmhead
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 3
Page: 2
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_214
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mccartney 31
Agness Mccartney 33
William Mccartney 6
David Mccartney 3
Samuel Mccartney 1
Margaret Nell 13
James Lindsden 2 Mo


They're also on later censuses, but I won't bother posting them, as I'm sure you have them already, and they don't help with your query.

In 1841 John appears to be a lodger with unrelated people, so that's no help either.

Scotlands People website is down for maintenance until Tuesday 21st Jan, so I'm afraid we can't look anything up for you at the moment.

However, I can say that FamilySearch and Ancestry do not show their marriage - and I assume you haven't found it, or you would have given the date - so chances are it will not be shown on SP either.

Even if it is, parent's names are almost always not given on marriage records from so long ago.

L am trying to find the parents of John McCartney 1821 born Twynholm Kirkcudbrightshire marred Agnes Kirk
Thank you