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Thanks to everyone for there input. It was only Lydia and her siblings missing on 2 census that I have not got. I have researched all the Saysell family linked to Lydia but only have a real interest on the Aldens who are my direct relations.

I sincerely thank you all again for your help and your time but Lydia seems not to want to be found on those 2 census :-D

As per post yesterday. Charles Sidney baptised London, but abode given as Portsmouth on image

20.9.1894 - son Charles Sidney (b Portsmouth) baptised St Thomas, Islington, but address given as 58 Eighteen -? Road, Portsmouth. Father is recorded as a Traveller

View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: John Edwin Saysell
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sydia Helena Saysell
Child: Charles Sidney Saysell

I've trawled the 1891 census as well for the location - zilch

Have scoured Fulham RG (includes Hammersmith) - last 2 qrs 1891 - nothing remotely likely.

According to census info, Alice was born in Hammersmith

Alice Violet:

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
Say__ll Alice V West Derby 7b 1197
West John H Saysell Derby 7b 1197


A Violet West
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: A Violet West
[Alice V West]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widow
Birth Date: 29 Aug 1891 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 111
Residence Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 216
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: RABT
Registration district: 435.1
Household Members:
Name
Percival A West - 15 Oct 1920
A Violet West


Alice Violet West
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alice Violet West
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: 29 Aug 1891 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Apr 1978
[May 1978]
[Jun 1978]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Derby
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 6
Page: 0568


But can't see her birth either, Rose.

In Finsbury Park in 1894

Name: Charles Sidney Saysell
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Sep 1894
Baptism Place: Finsbury Park St Thomas, Islington, England
Father: John Edwin Saysell
Mother: Sydia Helena Saysell
Register Type: Parish Registers

and Hampshire in 1893 (not London)

SAYSELL, CHARLES SYDNEY ALDEN
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 431

Islington in 1889

SAYSELL, PERCIVAL JOHN EDWIN ALDEN
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 208

Brentford in 1896

SAYSELL, NELLIE LILIAN ALDEN
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 139

Malyon, I have all the Saysell family and Percival emigrated ,married and died in Australia

not finding a marriage or death for percival john e saysell

wonder if he was adopted

Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Saysell Percival John E Islington 1b 208

No, the Alice Violet born c1892 mentioned in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

Rose

Rose, she was born 29th September 1868,Holborn, London

Can't seem to find Alice's birth. That might be close to the 1891 census.

Rose

No, malyon.

~that's a different Percy.
The one I mentioned before, born 1889, was the son of Lydia and John Saysell.

The one you've found in 1891 census is a brother of Lydia.

ALDEN, PERCY ARTHUR mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 358

this must be percival called percy aged 4

John Alden
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
John Alden
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
County:
London
Parish:
Islington
Ecclesiastical Parish:
ST JOHNS
Registration District:
Islington
Gender:
Male
Age:
47
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Private Enquiry Agent
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1844
Birthplace:
Norfolk, England
Page Number:
32
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
174/ 186
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Alden Head Male 47 Norfolk, England
Eleanor Alden Wife Female 43 Buckinghamshire, England
Charles H Alden Son Male 21 London, England
Herbert W Alden Son Male 19 Essex, England
Alice E Alden Daughter Female 17 St Giles, London, England
John E Alden Son Male 16 London, England
Frederick W Alden Son Male 14 London, England
Robert C Alden Son Male 13 London, England
William A Alden Son Male 10 London, England
Henry G Alden Son Male 8 London, England
George A Alden Son Male 7 London, England
Percy A Alden Son Male 4 London, England
Leonard Alden Son Male 3 London, England
Sidney E Alden Son Male 0 London, England

John Alden
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name:
John Alden
County:
Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Event Place:
England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
, Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad,
Registration District:
Royal Navy At Sea And In Ports Abroad
Gender:
Male
Age:
17
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Boy 1 Class
Birth Year (Estimated):
1844
Birthplace:
..., Norfolk
Page Number:
5
Registration Number:
RG09
Piece/Folio:
4437 / 193
Affiliate Record Type:
Household

That is the marriage I have for them. The whole of this family are proving a nightmare as other members are nowhere to be found either. Do you think it possible that these census records have been mislaid or destroyed as it is the same period of time that I am having problems with.

That is the marriage I have for them. The whole of this family are proving a nightmare as other members are nowhere to be found either. Do you think it possible that these census records have been mislaid or destroyed as it is the same period of time that I am having problems with.

20.9.1894 - son Charles Sidney (b Portsmouth) baptised St Thomas, Islington, but address given as 58 Eighteen -? Road, Portsmouth. Father is recorded as a Traveller

View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: John Edwin Saysell
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sydia Helena Saysell
Child: Charles Sidney Saysell

Name: John Edwin Saysell
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1888
Marriage Place: West Hackney, Hackney, England
Father: John Darby Saysell
Spouse: Lydia Helena Alden
Register Type: Parish Register
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From image - John 21, Lydia 19.
John is a Drapers ?Collector. His Father is a draper.
Lydia's Father is a commission Agent
Witnesses - John Alden and Rebecca Emma Bordman