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Henry Charles Smith born in Nayland Suffolk

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Ellen

Ellen Report 18 Jan 2020 13:30

This is the marriage details
Name
Charlotte Walker
Father's Name
William Walker
Spouse Name
Henry Smith
Spouse's Father's Name
William Smith
Marriage Date
18 Mar 1863
Marriage Place
Adelaide
Registration Place
Adelaide South Australia
Page number
320
Volume Number
53

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 13:27

The headstone for the man who died in 1912 is on Ancestry and he is 100% the man who married Anne Sandwell.

Absolutely NO DOUBT

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Jan 2020 13:15

henry and charlotte had several children eg
Charles Henry Smith
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1867
Birth Place: Norwood
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father: Henry Smith
Mother: Charlotte Walker
Page Number: 741
Volume Number: 33

and in each case father is named sas henry, no charles

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Jan 2020 12:44

for what is worth all of the ancestry hints for the 1912 death all point to the ann marriage

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 12:29

If the man who died in 1912 is the PROVEN connection of the OP's colleague, the one with father William is totally irrelevant as far as can be deduced from available online records

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 12:28

THIS is the 1851 census referred to above - for INFO


Frenche's Farm, Hadleigh, Cosford, Suffolk, England
William Smith Head Married Male 38 1813 Ag Lb Raydon, Suffolk, England
Judith Smith Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Capel, Suffolk, England
John Smith Son - Male 16 1835 - Hadleigh, Suffolk, England
Martha Smith Daughter - Female 14 1837 - Hadleigh, Suffolk, England
Henry Smith Son - Male 11 1840 - Hadleigh, Suffolk, England
Hannah Smith Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Hadleigh, Suffolk, England

And 1841
Foog Hall, Hadleigh, Cosford, Suffolk, England
William Smith Male 25 1816 Suffolk, England
Judith Smith Female 25 1816 Suffolk, England
William Smith Male 8 1833 Suffolk, England
John Smith Male 6 1835 Suffolk, England
Martha Smith Female 4 1837 Suffolk, England
Henry Smith Male 1 1840 Suffolk, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 12:10

Henry Charles and Anne (Sandwell) also had a daughter, Edith Rose Agnes, who is in the same grave as her parents and maternal grandwother

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 12:03

Henry Charles Smith was a BACHELOR when he married Anne Sandwell in January 1872, by Licence

So he is NOT the man who married Charlotte Walker, unless he lied, which I don't think was the case, in view of the different names.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 11:50

As yet, the poster hasn't told us why her colleague thinks the man was born in Nayland...................

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 11:42

Not the 20 May 1838 baptism, unfortunately.

That was in Marlesford, approx 25 miles as the crow flies, NE of Nayland:


Henry Smith
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Henry Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 20 May 1838
Baptism Place: Marlesford,Suffolk,England
Father: William Smith
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 919624

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 11:30

Henry Charles Smith's civil death registration is on FMP - showing birth year 1840, which matches the headstone.

Why does your colleague think this is the man who married Charlotte Walker? There is absolutely nothing I can find to support the theory

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 11:24

???????????

First name(s) Henry
Last name Smith
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 20 May 1838
Residence Suffolk, England
Place -
County Suffolk
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Smith
Mother's first name(s) Mary

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Jan 2020 11:22

Two births which could fit, perhaps.
Nayland is in Sudbury RG:

SMITH, HENRY mms LOYLEE
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 305

SMITH, HENRY mms AMBROSE
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in SUDBURY Volume 12 Page 428

EDIT: Not the 1839 birth - that Henry is in all the censuses up to his death in Sudbury in 1932. Parents Charles and Sarah.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 11:14

So, he married Charlotte in 1867 - not 1912 as per OP

And no mention of Charles in his name on that record

Did Charlotte die between 1867 and 1872?

Can't help thinking these are two entirely different men

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Jan 2020 11:09

re erikah post

Name: Henry Charles Smith
Father's name: Henry Charles Smith ------
Spouse Name: Anne Sandwell
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Sandwell
Marriage Date: 13 Jan 1872
Marriage Place: North Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 68
Volume Number: 90

Name: Albert Glanville Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 Nov 1881
Baptism Place: St. Paul's, Port Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Residence Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father: Henry Charles Smith
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number: 951899

Maddie

Maddie Report 18 Jan 2020 10:57


Name: Hannah Smith
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hadleigh, England
Christening Date: 25 Dec 1844
Christening Place: Hadleigh, Suffolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: William Smith
Mother: Judith Smith
Search Photos: Search for 'Hadleigh' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos

for ref
Name: Henry Smith
Father's name: William Smith -------
Spouse Name: Charlotte Walker
Spouse's Father's Name: William Walker
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1867
Marriage Place: Wesleyan Chapel Pirie Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 320
Volume Number: 53

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 10:52

From a tree on Ancestry

Spouse: Ann Sandwell
Father: Henry Charles Smith
Mother:
Children: Albert Glanville
Birth: 1840
Death: 13/11/1912 Port Adelaide South Australia Australia

The above matches the headstone info about his wife

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 18 Jan 2020 10:50

There is this baptism but the father's name is not William:-

First name(s) Henry
Last name Smith
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1837
Baptism date 19 Feb 1837
Residence Suffolk, England
Place Stoke-By-Nayland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Suffolk
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Smith
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Smith
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Do you have the marriage certificate and if so does it give his father's name as William?

Kath. x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 10:49

According to the man's headstone, he was 72 when he died 13th November 1912

Therefore, born 1840

Can you say how you found out that he was born in Nayland?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Jan 2020 10:40

When did he emigrate?

Did he marry only once?