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For Charles Hubbard bn 1907 married 1832 Lincolnshire married to Elsie Mary Bell she was born 1908 Lincolnshire

CHARLES H
Last name HUBBARD
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1932
Registration month -
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CHARLES H HUBBARD married one of these people

Elsie M Bell

Spouse's last name Bell
District Boston
District number -
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Volume 7A
Volume as transcribed 7A
Page number 1185

1939

Main Road, Spilsby R.D., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

Hubbard household
(5 people)

Charles H Hubbard 17 Dec 1907 Male Small Holding (Own Account) & Fitter On Water Mains - Heavy Worker Married 117 1
Elsie M Hubbard 23 May 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 117 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Evelyn I Jessop (Hubbard) 12 Feb 1935 Female Under School Age Single 117 4
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

2 more closed records on next page and Frederick Hubbard bn 1868 at same address, presumably father of Charles? ( or maybe not)

You can find the marriage on freebmd but not in 1832 ;-)

Not sure why you’re asking for it as you know when it took place

EDIT not this one, ( just for ref)

HUBBARD, CHARLES JAMES HUDSON ANKERS
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 437

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales
16 Tunnard St Boston, Boston, Lincolnshire, England


Charles Hubbard Head Married Male 29 1882 Chemists Assistant Litchfield Staffs
Elizabeth Hubbard Wife Married Female 29 1882 - Wellington Salop
Elsie Hubbard Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Boston Lincs
Ivy Hubbard Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Boston Lincs
Charles Hubbard Son - Male 3 1908 - Boston Lincs

Thankyou, sometimes you come up with fathers names on a marriage?

Try using the free site yourself - https://www.freereg.org.uk - as previously advised I'm sure

Charles and Elsie's marriage is on there with further details - place/Church/dates/occupation/Her Father and occupation etc

Previous thread about Charles and Elsie -
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1380884

Family search also has some details of the marriage - i.e. actual date and place

How irritating

Sidami there is no parish record for the marriage ( which is where father's name might be found) on Findmypast, so unless it is on Ancestry you will probably have to buy the marriage cert.

Greyghost posted link to freereg for the details

NO father listed for Charles on the marriage record - and NO birth matching his details as per 1939

Look like he was born illegitimate, and acquired the surname Hubbard at a later date

His given names are CHARLES HENRY on the marriage record

Deinitely not this man

Name
Charles James Hudson Hubbard
Birth
2 Feb 1908
Death
4 Jul 1986
Spouse: Dorothy Clay

Death gives different birth year, but that's not unusual

Name: Charles Henry Hubbard
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1909
Registration Date: Feb 1996
Registration district: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Register Number: 69B
District and Subdistrict: 6101A
Entry Number: 103

Is THIS him in 1911?

Name: Charles Henry Hubbard
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wainfleet St Mary, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: West Fen
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Hareby West Fen Revesby
Registration district: Spilsby
Registration District Number: 420
Sub-registration district: Stickney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 19829
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredrick Hubbard 41
Charlotte Hubbard 38
Maggie Hubbard 14
Charles Henry Hubbard 1


AND, if it's the right one, he was definitely illegitimate

HUBBARD, CHARLES HENRY - NO MMN
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in SPILSBY Volume 07A Page 521


1901

Name: Frederick Hubbard
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Charlotte Hubbard
Birth Place: Stickney, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: West Fen
Ecclesiastical parish: Bolingbroke St Peter and Hareby St Paul
Town: West Fen
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Stickney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3073
Folio: 46
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Hubbard 31
Charlotte Hubbard 27
William Hubbard 8
Frederick Hubbard 6
Alice Hubbard 4
Maggie Hubbard 3


ALL in the same area as 1939

And grandfather FREDERICK is living with Charles and his family, as posted earlier

Birth cert will identify mother. Father unlikely ever to be known with any degree of certainty

Frederick and Charlotte had three daughters, any of whom could have been the mother.

Alice and Maggie as shown above, and also Betsy:

HUBBARD, BETSY mms SCARBOROUGH
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 422

Betsy's not with the family in 1901.

1911 says that Frederick and Charlotte had had 5 children, all still living.

Betsy's marriage:

Betsey Hubbard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Betsey Hubbard
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Spilsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1303
Records on Page:
Name
Charles H Bourne
Betsey Hubbard


Betsy Bourne
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Betsy Bourne
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newbolingberabe, Lincolnshire, England [ New Bolingbroke]
Civil Parish: Friskney
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: Burgess Lanc Friskney Lincs
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Spilsby
Registration District Number: 420
Sub-registration district: Wainfleet
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 19834
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Henry Bourne 18
Betsy Bourne 19
Doris May Bourne 1/12


BOURNE, DORIS MAY mms HUBBAND
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in SPILSBY Volume 07A Page 520

Going by the dates, it looks as if Betsy and Charles "had to" get married.

I would guess she is young Charles Henry's mother, too - particularly with his first names being the same as Charles Henry Bourne's.

And would guess that Charles Henry senior is Charles Henry junior's father.

Interestingly, Alice Hubbard seems to have married Charles Henry Bourne's brother:

Alice Hubbard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Hubbard
Spouse Surname: Bourne
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Spilsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1353
Records on Page:
Name
John W Bourne
Alice Hubbard


Charles H Bourne
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Charles H Bourne
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Joseph Bourne
Mother: Dorethea Bourne
Birth Place: Wainfleet St Mary, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wainfleet St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Wainfleet St Mary
Town: Wainfleet St Mary
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Wainfleet
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 3074
Folio: 44
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bourne 50
Dorethea Bourne 49
Joseph Bourne 15
John W Bourne 13 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles H Bourne 8



Sadly, Charles Henry Bourne died in WW1:

Charles Henry Bourne
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Charles Henry Bourne
Birth Place: Wainfleet, Lincs
Death Date: 9 Sep 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Wainfleet
Rank: Private
Regiment: Lincolnshire Regiment
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 242498
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

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Maggie Habbard
[Maggie Hubbard]
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1897
Marriage Date: 6 Jul 1918
Marriage Place: Leeds, St John, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Leeds, St John
Search Photos: Search for 'Leeds, St John' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Ferderick Habbard -- farm laborer
Spouse: Samuel Midgley

Name: Maggie Midgley
Registration Date: Oct 1947
[Nov 1947]
[Dec 1947]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Walter Dacre
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 844

Name: Maggie Dacre
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1897
Registration Date: Oct 1969
[Nov 1969]
[Dec 1969]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Spilsby
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 1161

1939
39 Stonegate Avenue, Leeds C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Samuel Midgley 07 Mar 1892 Male Prevision Labourer Gas Works Heavy Worker Married 157 1
Maggie Jenkionson (Dacre,Midgley) 24 Jul 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 157 2
Margaret Jenkinson 27 Aug 1918 Female Clip Sorter (Rey Mill) Single 157 3
Charlotte Haddock 03 Nov 1921 Female Wine & Sprit Labeller Single 157 4

in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: Margaret Midgley
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1918
Birth Place: Leeds
Document Year: 1916
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Joining
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Samuel Midgley Self (Head)
Maggie Hubbard Spouse
Frederick Midgley Child
Margaret Midgley

Name: Margaret Midgley
Registration Date: Jul 1918
[Aug 1918]
[Sep 1918]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Mother's Maiden Name: Hubbard
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 450

Name
Margaret Midgley
Spouse
George W Jenkinson
Marriage
01/1940 Leeds Yorkshire West Riding United Kingdom

he may have died 1943 RAF

Charles Henry Bourne would have been barely 16 in 1909. A bit young to be fathering an illegitimate child at that time, don’t you think?

Also, if they were his parents, why wasn’t the boy with them in 1911, and why didn’t Charles HUBBARD take the father’s surname, and name him when he married?

Finding accurate information about the mother should be a priority

I also had thought of the points you make, Erika.

16 is certainly young to father a child, but not impossible. Betsy herself would only have been 17 at the time.

Perhaps Charles senior wasn't willing to accept that young Charles was his son. That could account for the registration of an illegitimate birth, the fact that the child was with his grandparents, and the fact that he kept the name Hubbard and didn't name a father when he married.

Charles Bourne may have been an unwilling husband as well as an unwilling father.

Perhaps, perhaps - it's all speculation.
I agree the birth cert is essential. At least then we would know who his mother was, even if we can never know if my guess re Charles Bourne is correct or not.

On CWGC site , CHB’s age is recorded as 27

Unfortunately, no baptism on the Lincs site for Charles Hubbard