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1851

Name: John Barley
[John Bailey]
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriett Barley
Gender: Male
Where born: Beston, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Lawford
Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 139
Piece: 2069
Folio: 137
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Barley 48
Harriett Barley 50
Thomas Barley 14
Rebecca Barley 13
Charles Barley 11
Harriett Barley 7
Luby Barley 1
Eliza Barley 1
Clara Barley 1


If you take the trouble to look at the image, you will see that 'Harriett' is a mistranscription of Charlotte. As Luby is of Jabez

In fact, you don't even need to look at the image - someone has submitted a correction, which appears on the transcription

QUERY RESOLVED

Show us some EVIDENCE of a John and Harriet together on censuses. Don’t just refer to them. C&P the transcriptions

I don't understand where you have seen John with a wife called Harriet.

He's with Charlotte in every census and you've been given the marriage reference and also John and Charlotte's deaths.

Their son Charles Wesley Bailey was married to a Harriet.

Kath. x

Sorry to revive this post but I've been told off a few times for creating new posts although i'm going to be a bit stuck if nobody sees this update.

I'm wondering what the best way is of proving or disproving that John Bailey married twice and that both Harriet and Charlotte were his wives. The reason I say this is that:

a) The John Bailey on both census entries was born in 1803;

b) The John Baileuy on both census entries was from Preston Capes (inaccurately recorded as "Beston" Northamptonshire (Should have been Preston as it was often abbreviated).

c) Quite a few Baileys are a bit lost about where they fit in - i've pursued all lines and I understand the history of every one of them on this side from the Hardiman (or Hardman????) marriage and they are stuck despite going back a long way in Coventry and Warwickshire.

I'm not even sure where to start with answering this question myself, perhaps because i'm asking for the impossible? It would make a lot of sense if there were kids from both marriages - however - one concession - there were births between John and Charlotte overlapping births with John and Harriet.

I guess without there being 2 marriage certificates (although these don't contain the exact date of birth do they) that it is impossible to work out?

Maybe I'm being a nana and not thinking about this right but i'd like to help a fair few people by getting to the bottom of this.

Thanks!

Thank you so much again folks :-) You're all life savers, regardless of whether I go off course or one or two of us do sometimes, we bring each other back onto the right page!

Cheers!

Birth registrations, from - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp.

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Note various first and surname spellings

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, CHARLES WESLEY HARDMAN
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in THE RUGBY UNION Volume 16 Page 410

BAILEY, HARRIOT HARDIN
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 437

BAILEY, JAVIS HARDMAN
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 480

BAILEY, ELIZA HARDIMAN
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 16 Page 462

The 1871 census:-

In the Village (Hucksters Shop), Newbold on Avon, Rugby, Warwickshire,

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Bailey Head - Male 68 1803 - Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Bailey Wife - Female 70 1801 - Warwickshire, England

He's with Charlotte in every census and we've found a marriage that looks right. Where did you get the name Harriet from for his wife?

Kath. x

Deaths Mar 1872 (>99%)
BAILEY John 68 Rugby 6d 283

Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
Bailey Charlotte 91 Rugby 6d 321

marraige of jabez

Jabez
Last name Bailey
Sex Male
Age 21
Birth year 1843
Marital status bachelor
Residence Long Lawford
Occupation Labourer
Marriage year 1864
Marriage date 12 Apr 1864
Denomination Anglican
Place Newbold-On-Avon
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline
Spouse's last name Underwood
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's birth year 1843
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Newbold on Avon
Spouse's occupation Dress Maker
Father's name John Bailey ------
Father's occupation Farmer -----
Spouse's father's name William Underwood
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
By licence or by banns Banns
First witness Charles Bailey -----
Second witness Harriet Bailey ------
County Warwickshire
Country England
Document type Parish registers
Archive
Warwickshire County Record Office
Archive reference DR0176/15

baptisms

Sarah
Last name Bailey
Gender Female
Birth year 1834
Birth place -
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 28 Aug 1836
Place Rugby
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bailey
Mother's first name(s) Charlote
Mother's last name Hardman

Thomas
Last name Bailey
Gender Male
Birth year 1836
Birth place -
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 28 Aug 1836
Place Rugby
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Bailey
Mother's first name(s) Charlote
Mother's last name Hardman

is the above birth record your man

Aww thanks everyone, so you are all confident it was Charlotte Hardman and NOT Harriet? :-)

Name:
Mother's Maiden Surname:

BAILEY, CHARLES WESLEY

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Charles Wesley
Last name Bailey
Age 30
Birth year 1840
Residence Gladstone ST
Father's first name(s) John ---------------
Father's last name Bailey
Marriage year 1870
Marriage date 30 May 1870
Spouse's first name(s) Harriet Collerson
Spouse's last name Rounds
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence Gladstone St
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Rounds
Denomination Anglican
Place Leicester, St George
County Leicestershire
Country England

JUST DELETED AND RE-POSTED AS THERE WAS A LOT OF UNNECESSARY INFORMATION ON THE LAST POST.THIS IS THE MARRIAGE:-

First name(s) JOHN
Last name BAILEY
Marriage year 1823
Marriage day 18
Marriage month Sep
Marriage place PRESTON CAPES
Parish Preston Capes
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Hardman
Spouse's title -
Spouse's parish Preston Capes
Event Type Marriage
By Banns or licence Banns
County Northamptonshire
Country England
Record set Northamptonshire Marriages

Kath, x

There’s a marriage in Northamptonshire in 1823 on FMP which might be worth looking at

1861 census:-

Household Members
Village, Long Lawford, Rugby, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Bailey Head Married Male 57 1804 Grocer & Farmer 20 Acres Preston, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Bailey Wife Married Female 60 1801 Farmers Wife Warwickshire, England
Sarah Bailey Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 - Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Charles Bailey Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Farmers Son Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Harriett Bailey Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Farmers Daughter Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Jabez Bailey Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farmers Son Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England

Kath. x

1861
Village, Long Lawford, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
John Bailey Head Married Male 57 1804 Grocer & Farmer 20 Acres Preston, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Bailey Wife Married Female 60 1801 Farmers Wife Warwickshire, England
Sarah Bailey Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 - Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Charles Bailey Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Farmers Son Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Harriett Bailey Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1841 Farmers Daughter Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Jabez Bailey Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farmers Son Long Lawford, Warwickshire, EnglandEngland

johns birthplace in 1851
Lawford Hill, Rugby, Warwickshire, England
John Bailey Head Married Male 48 1803 Ag Lab Preston, Northamptonshire, England
Charlotte Bailey Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Warwickshire, England
Thomas Bailey Son - Male 14 1837 Ag Lab Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Rebecca Bailey Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Charles Bailey Son - Male 11 1840 Plow Boy Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Harriett Bailey Daughter - Female 9 1842 School Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Jabez Bailey Son - Male 8 1843 School Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Eliza Bailey Daughter - Female 6 1845 School Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England
Clara Bailey Grand Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Long Lawford, Warwickshire, England

Why do you say his wife’s name was Harriet?

It wasn’t if the censuses are accurate

Perhaps they never actually married.

Kath. x