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So we still don't know if that's the right Robert or not.

I still feel he is - but we'll never know for sure.

Thanks for letting us know the details.

Hi
Just had the death certificate back for a Robert Watt in Durham 1906
It says he died 12/01/1906 at workhouse infirmary
Occ= gen labourer of Framwellgate, Durham
Informant= George Richardson master of workhouse

I wonder if Mrs Sommerville, aged 72,who died in 1893 , could be Henry's mother ??

FORREST
JANE
72
1893
644/14 104
Kinning Park


EDIT:

No, that lady's also listed as Morrison, not Sommerville.

Veering well away from the original query - but posting just for interest!

Mr Connor was apparently some relation by marriage of Henry's adopted sister Annie.
Not her husband, though, as he was still alive in 1901.




Henry Forest/Sommerville in 1871:

Henry Forest
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Henry Forest
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Janet Forest
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 62 Govan Street
Occupation: Seaman's Son <<<<<<<<<<
ED: 67
Household schedule number: 106
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_142
Household Members:
Name Age
Janet Forest 32 - wife - Denny, Stirlingshire
Henry Forest 3
Agnes Taylor 70 - mother-in-law [of the absent seaman]
Anny Henderson 12 - adopted

and in 1881:

Henry Somerville
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Henry Somerville
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Father's name: John Somerville
Mother's name: Janet Somerville
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 58 Hospital St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 68
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_248
Household Members:
Name Age
John Somerville 50
Janet Somerville 48 - Dennyloanhead, Stirling
Henry Somerville 13
Annie Mitchell 22 - adopted daughter
Janet Fleming 71 - wife's mother (mother-in-law) [????? maybe mistranscription ?]


and in 1891:

Henry Sommerville
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Henry Sommerville
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Janet Sommerville
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 615
Registration district: Stevenston
Civil Parish: Stevenston
Town: Stevenston
County: Ayrshire
Address: 66 Ardeer Square
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 264
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_216
Household Members:
Name Age
Janet Sommerville 48
Agnes Taylor 81 - mother
Henry Sommerville 24





Annie Mitchell's marriage:

MITCHELL
ANNIE
CONNOR
WILLIAM
1882
644/11 166
Hutchesontown

Birth of a child:

Hendry Forrest Connor
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Hendry Forrest Connor
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1891
Birth Place: Hutchesontown, Lanark, Scotland
Father: William Connor
Mother: Annie Mitchell Connor
FHL Film Number: 255142
Reference ID: v 644-11 p 489


Annie Connor
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Annie Connor
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William Connor
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 286 So Wellington St
ED: 30
Household schedule number: 90
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_286
Household Members:
Name Age
William Connor 32 - tinsmith
Annie Connor 32
Janet Connor 7
John McDonald Connor 5


John McDonald Connor died in Govan 1942, son of William Connor, tinsmith deceased, and Annie Connor, ms Mitchell, deceased.

McDonald was William's mother Agnes's maiden name, and John was his father's name. His father disappears from the censuses after 1861.



William Connor
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: William Connor
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Agnes Connor
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, lanarks
Registration Number: 644/11
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 490 Calder Street
Occupation: Tinsmith
ED: 92
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_312
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Connor 62
William Connor 42
Janet Connor 17
John Connor 15
Henry Connor 9

Wow thank you ever so, for that info.
Amazing you guys are soo helpful.
I am still waiting the death certificate for Robert Watt, I spoke to Durham Records they said to wait for death cert and then contact them. Although as someone has already said it might not tell me much
Thank you again

Further reply from helpful person at North Ayrshire Bereavement Services today, including image of document.

Mr Connor was 60.

"Mr Sommerville" is actually Mrs Sommerville, aged 72.

Agnes Murphy was aged 14 months - so not Henry and Janet's daughter, but presumably their grand-daughter.


Her birth:

MURPHY
AGNES
F
1933
615/ 129
Stevenston

And her death:

MURPHY
AGNES FORREST
1
1934
644/1 380
Bridgeton

The owner of the lair at the cemetery was Henry Sommerville, Ardeer Square.
He bought it in 1891, for £1.

The Mr. Somerville wouldn't be Henry's father as his parents were John Forr(r)est and Janet Taylor. Presumably his mother remarried sometime after Henry's birth. That would explain why he married as Forrest but was maybe known by his stepfather's name.

As first names are not given, I wonder if Messrs Connor and Sommerville could be male infants ??

But can't find corresponding births in Stevenston.


ADDED:

The office employee who sent me the email will be going by a list of burials, and very possibly the list just gives the surnames Sommerville and Connor, with a tick or equivalent in a "male" column.
It would be interesting to know what's actually on the gravestone (if any).

Email reply from North Ayrshire Bereavement Services today:



"Thank you for your enquiry.

I can advise that Mary Watt was buried on 22/08/1900 in Stevenston New Street Cemetery, Section J & Lair Number 130.

Detailed below are those also buried in the lair with their date of burial:
Mr Connor, 09/10/1893
Mr Sommerville, 04/12/1893
Agnes Murphy, 09/05/1934

The title holder of the grave is Henry Sommerville."




We know who Henry Sommerville is .
The Mr Sommerville who died 1893 may be Janet's husband's father?

Agnes Murphy is probably Henry & Janet's daughter:

Marriage:
FORREST
AGNES SOMERVILL
MURPHY
JOHN
1919
654/ 29
Rutherglen

Don't know (yet) who Mr Connor is.
I've replied, asking if there's any record of Mr Connor's age or DOB.

Per SP, the only Conn*r death in the Ardrossan/Saltcoats/Stevenston area in 1893 was Jane ConnAr, died in Ardrossan.

See info about inmates' records at the bottom of this page:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Durham/#Inmates


Research service:

http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10557/Research-service

As you have the death info the £5 Quick Search might be enough.

Trouble is, it might just say Workhouse, with Informant being a member of staff...

You could always see Admissions, google for info. Durham Workhouse.

(1901 Census, George William Richardson, Master)

Perhaps Durham, or that area, was his Birthplace...

Chris :)

http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/10557/Research-service

(if you cant visit, you could contact above, see if they hold Workhouse Records)

I have ordered the certificate for Robert Watt 1906 to be sure if it is or isn’t him

Argyllgran I have viewed that image on scotspeople it just says Robert Watt at Union Workhouse aged 75 died January 13th 1906
It was a burial record

Re Chris's last post mentioning the workhouse -

yesterday on Ancestry I found a record for a Robert Watt in the workhouse in Durham [ I think 1905 or 1906 ] - but can't find it again today!

I have just viewed the marriage for Janet Watt and Henry Forest it definitely is them. Janet gives her address as 34 Townhead Street, stevenston and Henry is Living at Ardeer Stevenston. They both work at the Dynamite factory. Robert watt her father was a foundry worker at the time

Yes Chris the Boglemart Street address is where Mary died

Argyllgran I still think the 1901 Townhead census could be Janet watt now as Sommerville and the ages of the Watts with her are the right age for her brothers and as in The earlier 1891 census.

Adds below, to follow from you earlier AG with the Death...

Chris :)

Watt Robert 1831 — 1906 Durham Bishop's Transcripts Burials Durham, St Margaret, Durham, England
(Buried 13 th Jan. Abode, Union Workhouse. Age 75)

A quick Google shows there are still Halberts in Stevenston.


This says that Robert died in 1905:

https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-Watt/6000000047106450843

but I suspect that's a guess, as no place of death is given.

But if true, that 1906 death in Durham could still be correct, as it was registered in the 1st quarter, so could have taken place in 1905.


Interestingly, it says that Mary was known as "Georgie" !

That 1900 Mary Death, was that below Address, looking round google search last night (bit late I might add!, lol) came across below...

Chris :)

https://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Watt/6000000047106091925

For below at same Street...

1901
Alex Watt Head Married Male 65 1836 Spirit Mcht Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
Mary Watt Wife Married Female 64 1837 - Largs, Ayrshire, Scotland
Alex Watt - - Male 29 1872 Engineer Marine Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jane Mathie - - Female 19 1882 Dom Servt England
Boglemart Street, Stevenston, Ayrshire, Scotland


1891
Janet Cowan Wife Married Female 66 1825 Blacksmiths Wife Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Jessie C Watt Daughter Married Female 29 1862 Marine Engineers Wife Ayrshire, Scotland
George Y Watt Grandson - Male 1 1890 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Boglemart Street, Stevenston, Ayrshire, Scotland


1871, 1881 seems to be some Halberts at Boglemart Street also...

No problem, RG!

Sorry ArgyllGran, I hadn't refreshed the page :-)