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Hi Caris have sent you an attachment to message

Hi yes can you re send it to me please hun x

I am just coming back to this having looked again at the info Caris sent me in 2015, re the Poynter family, (a 'legacy' file apparently? ) I hadn't really looked at the early stuff on it as Caris was asking then specifically about the living relatives....but all that has been found here re Poynter/Pointer and Pells is already listed on it, plus a lot more!

Caris have you lost that file? because I can send it back to you.

For ref only it seems there are several Poynter families who moved to S Shields for m Norfolk I'm not going to try and untangle them, without certs and a lot of time!

But this does appear to be connected,

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
34, Brunton Street, Percy Main, Chirton, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

John Pointer Head Married Male 56 1845 Labourer Antimony (Factory) Briston, Norfolk, England
Esther A Pointer Wife Married Female 59 1842 - Briston, Norfolk, England
Oscar E Pointer Son Single Male 21 1880 Steam Craneman Northumberland, England
Arthur B F Pointer Son Single Male 18 1883 Apprentice Draper Northumberland, England

The son Arthur B F info here
http://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=99&articleid=1386&displayorder=374

It will take a lot of sifting to find the connections, cousins maybe?

Confirming the mmn from the 1851 census

POINTER, CHRISTIANA mmn PELLS
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in ERPINGHAM Volume 13 Page 101

So far it looks right but I have advised Caris in reply to her PM that it is better to confirm marriages and births ( checking mmn on the GRO index) and not to rush it too much and to buy certs when needed.

Marriage of Jonathan and Ellen

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Burton Ellen Erpingham 4b 169
Pointer Jonathan Erpingham 4b 169

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
26 & 28, Raglan Street, Westoe, South Shields, Durham, England

Jonathan Poynter Head Married Male 43 1848 Corporation Labourer Norfolk, England
Ellen Poynter Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Norfolk, England
John Poynter Son Single Male 21 1870 Corporation Labourer Norfolk, England
Sarah Poynter Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Dressmaker Apprentice Northumberland, England
Eliza Poynter Daughter Single Female 16 1875 General Day Servant Durham, England
Benjamin Poynter Son Single Male 14 1877 Boiler Cleaner Labourer Durham, England
George Poynter Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Durham, England
Mary Poynter Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Durham, England
Anne Smith Granddaughter - Female 0 1891 - Durham, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
143, Jno Clay Street, South Shields, Durham, England


John Pointer Head Married Male 31 1870 Shipyard Labourer Norfolk, England
Sarah Jane Pointer Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - South Shields, Durham, England
Nathaniel R Pearson Father-In-Law Married Male 49 1852 Contractors Labourer Boldon, Durham, England
Anne Pearson Sister-In-Law Widow Female 20 1881 - South Shields, Durham, England
Mary Ellen Pearson Sister-In-Law Single Female 18 1883 - South Shields, Durham, England

For ref, the Poynter family are in South Shields, 1939 As per other thread ( please stick to one only per family)

147 Victoria Road, South Shields C.B., Durham, England

Paynter household
(4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George Poynter 15 Apr 1915 Male Labourer General (Buildings Trade) Married 247 1
Edith Poynter 24 Jun 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 247 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

George Poynter 27 Oct 1938 Male Under School Age Single 247 3


The parents I assume, are on the next page John and Annie, bn 1869 and 1881

For ref

1911 Census For England & Wales
11 Byethorne Street South Shields Durham, South Shields, Durham, England

John Poynter Head Married Male 40 1871 Painters Labourer Norfoulk
Anne Poynter Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Chirton North U Land
Sarah Jan Poynter Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School So Shields Durham
John Sisterson Brother In Law Single Male 19 1892 Labourer Chirton North U Land

Replied on other thread on FLR, can you please delete that one.

Caris are you certain this is the right family? It's POINTER not POYNTER and not in same area of the country as your Poynters?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Smiths House, Hempstead, Erpingham, Norfolk, England

Benjamin Pointer Head Married Male 35 1816 Agricultural Laborer Brinton, Norfolk, England
Mary Pointer Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Langham, Norfolk, England
John Pointer Son - Male 13 1838 Agricultural Laborer Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Pointer Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Hempstead, Norfolk, England
James Pointer Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Christianna Pointer Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Sarah Pointer Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Jonathan Pointer Son - Male 4 1847 - Hempstead, Norfolk, England
Mary Ann Pointer Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Hempstead, Norfolk, England

thank you, alot here to read but seems the right family line x

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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Norfolk
Place Hempstead (Holt)
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 136
Baptism date 10 Feb 1828
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Father forename Thomas
Mother forename Hannah
Father surname PELLS
Mother surname PELLS
Person abode Hempstead Nr Holt
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Robert Emery
File line number 138

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Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Norfolk
Place Hempstead (Holt)
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 39
Marriage date 4 Oct 1803
Groom forename Michael
Groom surname POINTER
Groom parish Hempstead Nr Holt
Groom condition Bachelor
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname TALYOR
Bride parish Hempstead Nr Holt
Bride condition Spinster
Witness1 William TAYLOR
Witness2 William WHITE
Notes Married By Banns Bride & Groom Both Made Their Marks X
Transcribed by Robert Emery
File line number 58

Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Norfolk
Place Brinton
Church name St Andrew
Register type Transcript
Register entry number 24
Baptism date 29 Oct 1815
Person forename Benjamin
Person sex ?
Father forename Michael
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname POINTER
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by TINSTAAFL and David Naylor
File line number 24

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Norfolk
Place Hempstead (Holt)
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 2
Marriage date 31 Oct 1837
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname POINTER
Groom parish Hempstead
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Groom abode Hempstead
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname PELLS
Bride parish Hempstead
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Hempstead
Groom father forename Michael
Groom father surname POINTER
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Thomas
Bride father surname PELLS
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 John POINTER
Witness2 Lucy POINTER
Notes Married After Banns Bride & Groom Of Full Age
Transcribed by Robert Emery
File line number 2


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Census 1851.

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Name:
Benjamin Pointer
Age:
35
Estimated birth year:
abt 1816
Relation:
Head
Spouse's name:
Mary Pointer
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Brinton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish:
Hempstead
County/Island:
Norfolk
Country:
England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:

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Registration district:
Erpingham
Sub-registration district:
North Walsham
ED, institution, or vessel:
10
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:
50
Piece:
1809
Folio:
800
Page Number:
13
Household Members:
Name
Age
Benjamin Pointer
35
Mary Pointer
38
John Pointer
13
Elizabeth Pointer
11
James Pointer
9
Christianna Pointer
8
Sarah Pointer
6
Jonathan Pointer
4
Mary Ann Pointer
1

Does this seem like the right family.?

Benjamin is an ag labourer.


The same family ten years later 1861.also the surname doesn't change....


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Benjamin Pointer
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Name:
Benjamin Pointer
Age:
44
Estimated birth year:
1817
Relation:
Head
Spouse's name:
Mary Pointer
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Brinton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish:
Hempstead
County/Island:
Norfolk
Country:
England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district:
Erpingham
Sub-registration district:
Holt
ED, institution, or vessel:
7
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:
47
Piece:
1203
Folio:
106
Page Number:
9
Household Members:
Name
Age
Benjamin Pointer
44
Mary Pointer
47
Elizabeth Pointer
22
Anne Pointer
18
Sarah Pointer
16
Jonathan Pointer
14
Mary Ann Pointer
11
William Pointer
10
Susan Pointer
6

please can you reply Cairs to save any more research being done if its not the right family.

Hi is anyone able to help me find info on Benjamin pointer and Mary pells had a son Jonathan poynter in 1848.