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Births Dec 1918
Martin Francis D Callaway Southampton 2c 54

Rose

Posted at 20:06

Confirmation is useful

thanks again everyone, there must be a connection with one of these somewhere but its finding which one,

ive found this but my father in law wasnt born he was to be next but these are his two sisters but cant find anymore,

NameLily MartinGenderFemaleMarital StatusMarriedBirth Date5 Mar 1919Residence Year1939Address89 Northumberland RdResidence PlaceSouthampton, Hampshire, EnglandOccupationUnpaid Domestic DutiesSchedule Number186Sub Schedule Number2Enumeration DistrictECAVRegistration district99-1Inferred SpouseStephen MartinInferred ChildrenPatricia MartinHousehold Members
NameAge
Name
Stephen Martin
Name
Lily Martin
Name
Patricia Martin - eldest sister
Name
Laura Martin

Have you looked at ALL of the info posted? And evaluated it? It takes the family back a long way...................

Posting a more easily-read version of 1939

89 Northumberland Road, Southampton C.B., Hampshire, England

Stephen Martin 01 Nov 1913 Male Shipwright Labour Married 186 1
Lily Martin 05 Mar 1919 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 186 2
Patricia Walcroft (Martin) 05 Nov 1937 Female Un Der School Age Single 186 3
Laura (H) Hall (Martin) 28 Oct 1938 Female Un Der School Age Single 186 4

Yes I have but need to read it all carefully as there is a lot to take in and try and work out the story as im new to all this, to be honest i wasnt expecting this many replies so soon and im very grateful for the help so just need to piece it all together,

Thanks again for all your help

Take your time, and if you need further help, just add to this post.

Thank you, lily coopers side might be a bit more tricky to track back as i know they were a gipsy family, so there might not be a lot of records,

Thanks again and hope to speak again soon

IF the 1908 Cooper / Wilton marriage posted earlier is the correct one, then this would be the family in 1911.

The original shows they have been married for 3 years and had 2 children, both of whom are alive.


1911 Census For England & Wales

1 Weelers Court Queens St Soton, St Mary, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Cooper Head - Male 29 1882 Labour Southampton
Ellen Cooper Wife - Female 24 1887 - Southampton
Ellen Cooper Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Southampton
Daisy Wilton Daughter - Female 6 1905 School Southampton

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Daughter Ellen's birth reg. from the free to use site https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COOPER, ELLEN MAY WILTON
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 29

and Daisy - no mother's maiden name, so likely illegitimate. Possible that William was the Father but didn't acknowledge at the time of registration or, more likely he wasn't.
Looks as though William had accepted her as his though, as shown as "daughter"

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WILTON, DAISY -
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 26

You need the 1908 marriage certificate to show name/occupation of William Henry's Father and his birth cert. to give mmn

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
COOPER, WILLIAM HENRY WEST
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 49

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Oak Bank, 7, Oak Bank Terrace, Itchen, St Mary Extra, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Cooper Head Married Male 45 1856 Laborer (Yacht Yard) Hampshire, England
Annie E Cooper Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Southampton, Hampshire, England
William H Cooper Son Single Male 18 1883 Stable Lad Hampshire, England
May R Cooper Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Mother's Help Hampshire, England
Edward Cooper Son - Male 14 1887 - Hampshire, England
Edith Cooper Adopted - Female 9 1892 - Southampton, Hampshire, England

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%)
Brannon Robert Henry Southampton 2c 7
Cooper William Henry Southampton 2c 7 <<<<<<<<<
Scott Mary Southampton 2c 7
West Annie Eliza Southampton 2c 7 <<<<<<<<<

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Next door to the family in 1901 are
Thomas A Cooper 51 a Fisherman, with wife Louisa 50 and children William H 23, Robert 18, Alice E and Ethel 12 all born

Thanks again everyone, now its time to read through everything and try and piece it all together in family tree form, as im new to this it could take me a while, but one thing i will say, its very interesting.

Really great help everyone, done well today piecing together everything and it all makes sense but I cant get any further than Stephen Martin - 1831 married to Charlotte Peckham - 1831, I know Stephen`s father was Edward and think he was married to Elizabeth from the Lyndhurst area of Hampshire but have hit a brick wall, if anyone can help that would be very helpful but if we dont find anything then ive got to be happy with what I got,

Thanks

You say you can’t get any further - where are you looking?

On this site and ancestory at all the records, im new to this so might be doing something wrong.

You should be able to find them on 1841 census with parents

I already gave you Charlotte with her parents.

And Stephen can be found with his mother and numerous siblings

Ok thanks, will look over the next couple of days as im in London tomorrow,

Thanks again for your help.

I had a minute to spare...................

Name: Stephen Martin
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Lyndhurst
Hundred: New Forest (Upper Half)
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: New Forest
Sub-registration district: Lyndhurst
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 400
Book: 4
Folio: 15
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Martin 50
George Martin 30
Sarah Martin 20
Thomas Martin 15
Harriet Martin 12
Stephen Martin 11
Jane Martin 6 Mo

Possibly Elizabeth's death, though age doesn't quite fit that given in 1841 census:

MARTIN, ELIZABETH 61
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in OF NEW FOREST Volume 08 Page 152

1841 census says Elizabeth was NOT born in Hampshire, although all the children were.

One vaguely possible marriage on FamilySearch - but no idea if it's your couple or not:

Edward Martin
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Edward Martin
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Chambers
Event Date: 28 May 1805
Event Place: Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England

Thanks everyone great info, I now have the DOB for Edward and hopefully have the maiden name for Elizabeth which is great as i was a bit stuck, i was going to go to the church in Lyndhurst to see if i could get anymore info as its only 6 miles from my house,

So thanks again