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Ancestry links the mother on that record to this marriage
Registration Year: 1883
GRAHAM Mary HOY Luke Bolton Register Office or Registrar Attended Bolton RO/77/169
Shame.................
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And they're right, sadly:
Winifred Hoy
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Winifred Hoy
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1879
Father: Luke Hoy
Mother: Mary Hoy
Birth Place: Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Residence Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: St George
ED, Institution or Vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 3248
Folio: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Hoy 34
Mary Hoy 31
Winifred Hoy 12
James Hoy 10
Elizabeth Hoy 8
John Hoy 5
Luke Hoy 1 Month
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MMS of the Dawson children in 1911 varies -
Manning, Mannion, Mannison
Interestingly, Samuel's Service Record doesn't mention the 1898 son Samuel, but his Pension Record does..
Samuel junior isn't with Samuel & Winifred in 1911.
In fact, I can't see him anywhere in 1911.
Samuel Dawson
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Samuel Dawson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1876
Enlistment Age: 40
Marriage Place: Registry Office Mansfield
Document Year: 1916
Residence Place: 27 Discount Court, St James St Hall
Regimental Number: 24153
Other Regimental Numbers: 33955
Regiment Name: Labour Corps
Number of Images: 28
Form Title: Record of Service
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Samuel Dawson Self (Head)
Winnifred Mannion Spouse
Mary Ann Dawson Child
Henry Dawson Child
Lucy Dawson Child
Louisa Dawson Child
Hellen Dawson Child
Lily Dawson Child
John Dawson Child
Thomas Dawson Child
Samuel Dawson
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Samuel Dawson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1880
Birth Place: Tibshel, Derbyshire, England
Marriage Date: 8 Apr 1901
Marriage Place: Regis Scotfhill Mansfield
Age: 34
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 583
Regiment Name: 8th Battalion East Yorkshire Regiment
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 12
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Samuel Dawson Self (Head)
Winnifred Mammon Spouse
Samuel Dawson Dawson Child
Mary Ann Dawson Child
Henry Dawson Child
Lucy Dawson Child
Ellen Dawson Child
Louisa Dawson Child
Lily Dawson Child
Looks like Sam junior died in 1917:
Samuel Dawson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Samuel Dawson
Death Age: 18
Birth Date: abt 1899
Registration Date: Apr 1917
[May 1917]
[Jun 1917]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 349
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John Ashley...
Chris :)
County Derbyshire
Place Alfreton
Church name St Martin
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 20 Aug 1877
Groom forename John
Groom surname ASHLEY
Groom age 36
Groom parish Blackwell
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Miner
Bride forename Lucy
Bride surname DAWSON
Bride age 25
Bride parish Alfreton
Bride condition Spinster
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname ASHLEY
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Henry
Bride father surname DAWSON
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 Samuel SMITH
Witness2 Sarah Ann SMITH
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1918
DAWSON Winifred 39 Myton Hull MYT/41A/12
http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Edits (a Baptism, Yorkshire, Handsworth for below, Parents, Henry (occ. Collier) and Marianne)
Birth
DAWSON, LUCY WARD
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 337
(no advance on Winifred though!, what was Address on 1918 Death Cert.?)
(now seen on Army Record, FMP, was, 66, Edgar Street, Hull)
Baptisms FMP Hull for below...
Dawson James Albert 1908 — 1908 Yorkshire Baptisms Hull, St Matthew, Yorkshire (East Riding), England (Born April 7)
Dawson Ellen 1910 — 1910 Yorkshire Baptisms Hull, St Barnabas, Yorkshire (East Riding), England (Born 7/6/10) (Twin)
Dawson Louisa 1910 — 1910 Yorkshire Baptisms Hull, St Barnabas, Yorkshire (East Riding), England (Born 7/6/1910) (Twin)
Dawson Lily 1912 — 1912 Yorkshire Baptisms Hull, St James, Yorkshire (East Riding), England (Born 10/5/12)
Dawson John William 1914 — 1914 Yorkshire Baptisms Hull, St James, Yorkshire (East Riding), England (Born 24/11/14)
(notes 1910 Baptisms, Sponsor, Jane Wailem?)
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Thank you all for your contributions.
Looks like one of those brick walls we often come across
Gerry
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AG, looks like might be below, for that Samuel 1898...
Dawson Samuel 1898 (20/7/98) - Yorkshire Baptisms Rotherham Minster, Yorkshire (West Riding), England (Born 10/7/98)
(Parents, Samuel and Minnie, 5, New Zealand Yard. Father occ. Hawker)
Birth
DAWSON, SAMUEL HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 710
(above already posted earlier)
(definitely had a Daughter Mary Ann, she was present at Death of Winifred 1918, 66, Edgar Street, Hull)
Birth
DAWSON, MARY ANN MANNION
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BRAMLEY Volume 09B Page 351
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