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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Oct 2019 10:53


We have William's birth and marriage, and he's on censuses 1891 and 1911, with Sarah. No sign of them in 1901.

We have no birth or marriage for Oliver, and we only see him in 1901, with Sarah.

"Oliver" and his Sarah have the same YOBs and occupations as William and his Sarah.

It's a pity the son Oliver isn't with his parents in 1911 - that would have been helpful!

Perhaps the enumerator got confused, and put William down as Oliver in 1901 because of the son's name being Oliver.

My feeling is that Oliver senior and William are one and the same, and that Winnie and Oliver junior are brother and sister - but can't prove it!
Circumstantial evidence only.

Researching:
Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

Flip

Flip Report 26 Oct 2019 11:44

I agree with ArgyllGran, it's too much of a coincidence.

The birth posted for William has a mmn of Underwood. There is another birth for Charles with same mmn in 1873, and on the 1901 census image it looks like he's living also at Bakers square. The mother Fanny (widow) is on the previous image, together with 4 sons and a daughter, one of the sons James (1868) has mmn Underwood. Oliver & Sarah are living at Bakers Square.

The 1891 census image has William & Sarah at 9 Bakers Square, and Fanny at number 2 (on previous image)

Researching:
Anything & everything!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 27 Oct 2019 08:07

Below would name Father...(probably the Staffordshire Death posted earlier)

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Clipstone Oliver Lea Tamworth 6b 747
Lea Mary A Clipstone Tamworth 6b 747


Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
CLIPSTONE Oliver LEA Mary A Civil Marriage (Tamworth) Newcastle-Under-Lyme ROT/10/104

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

18 September 1929 - Staffordshire Sentinel - Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire
...Oliver Clipstone, grocer's assistant, of 324, Tamworth-street, Kettlebrook. said that he was cycling along the Armitage-road...


1939 Register
Clive (Oliver) Clipstone 14 Sep 1891 Male Part Time Postman Married
Mary E (a) Clipstone 03 Mar 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
2 Price Avenue, Lichfield R.D., Staffordshire


Edits (worth a check 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search)
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Peter

Peter Report 29 Oct 2019 19:49

Just to say that I have now solved the mystery. As suggested I have eventually managed to track down the marriage certificate of Oliver from one of my distant relatives, it shows Oliver’s father as William Clipstone and not Oliver as shown in the birth records, which means that Oliver and Winnie Clipstone were in fact brother and sister as thought
Many thanks for all who responded with their information and assistance.

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