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15 Oct 2019 16:40 |
If you can't visit the Archives to see Baptism Record, for closer inspection, you could always try below...
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/enquiries-and-research/
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15 Oct 2019 15:23 |
That could be the person I got the birth certificate from wish I could read Latin to understand what it says
The Howley in 1871 could be them same as Argyll gran has put on
I did fancy the 1861 census for Ann Hailey at 5 lion Court it seems to much a coincidence that their name is so alike to the one on birth certificate and the address is the same
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15 Oct 2019 14:30 |
(no time to stay, or read further at moment!, but see below, looking round things on google search)
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800084.0
(No Father? William Thomas Hurley)
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15 Oct 2019 13:58 |
William L Howley in the 1871 England Census Name: William L Howley Age: 9 Estimated birth year: 1862 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where born: Ardwick Lancashire England Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 283 Piece: 3977 Folio: 166 Page Number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Ann Howley 28 - cotton weaver, Stockport, unmarried William L Howley 9 John Howley 20/12
John's birth:
HURLEY, JOHN - GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 609
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15 Oct 2019 13:30 |
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Simpson Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
1851 Michael Earley Head Married Male 38 1813 Fish Monger Ireland Mary Earley Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Ireland Mary Jane Earley Daughter - Female 13 1838 - Ireland Winifred Earley Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Ireland Ross Earley Son - Male 9 1842 - Ireland Ann Earley Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Ireland
1861 3, School Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ann Earley Lodger - Female 16 1845 - Ireland Ann Earley's Census Details
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15 Oct 2019 13:09 |
EARLY, ANN mms HANLEY GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 285
Unfortunately, that looks like this child:
Ann Early in the 1841 England Census Name: Ann Early Age: 6 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Stockport Hundred: Macclesfield County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Stockport Sub-registration district: Stockport First District Neighbors: Piece: 113 Book: 2 Folio: 26 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age Bridget Early 30 Jane Early 5 Michael Early 3 Ann Early 6 Mo John Farrell 35 Richard Gray 30
Anne Early in the 1851 England Census Name: Anne Early Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Patrick Early Mother's name: Bridget Early Gender: Female Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Stockport Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Stockport Sub-registration district: Stockport ED, institution, or vessel: 3m Neighbors: Household schedule number: 68 Piece: 2156 Folio: 483 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Early 45 Bridget Early 38 Jane Early 15 Michael Early 13 Anne Early 10 Catharine Early 7 Thomas Early 5 Michael Hanley 45 Michael Hanley 29
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15 Oct 2019 13:08 |
Thank you Argyllgran It does look promising
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15 Oct 2019 13:04 |
Thank you Chris
I've just gone through the 54 pages surrounding the first one you gave me
Spelling is always different on the birth it is Early , as it is on Marriage but for some reason after the marriage it goes to Hurley
That 61 could be
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15 Oct 2019 12:48 |
Looks good there AG (I seem to have a 'viewed before' tick on FMP)
(never sure of places in Manchester, me, lol, a big place!)
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1861 George Hailey Head Married Male 38 1823 Labourer Ireland Mary Hailey Wife Married Female 40 1821 House Keeper Ireland Ann Hailey Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Cotton Weaver Stockport, Lancashire, England 5, Lion Court, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840 to 1845
EARLY Ann HANLEY Stockport First Stockport ST1/7/50
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
(no idea on above, but as it came up!)
Birth EARLY, ANN HANLEY GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 285
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15 Oct 2019 12:30 |
And here's 5 Lyons (spelled Lion) Court (next to Wright Street as in that 1881 record above) in 1861:
George Hailey in the 1861 England Census Name: George Hailey Age: 38 Estimated birth year: 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Hailey Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 5 Lion Court Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 145 Piece: 2870 Folio: 120 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age George Hailey 38 Mary Hailey 40 Ann Hailey 21 - daughter, cotton weaver, Stockport, Lancs.
Could Hailey be yet another variation of the name?
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15 Oct 2019 12:18 |
In order to see the surrounding streets, here's 5 Lyons Court, Ardwick, in1881:
Edmund Edge in the 1881 England Census Name: Edmund Edge Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Elizabeth Edge Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ardwick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 5 Lyons Court Marital status: Married Occupation: Cabman Registration district: Chorlton ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: Piece: 3899 Folio: 47 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age Edmund Edge 28 Elizabeth Edge 28
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15 Oct 2019 12:13 |
I think that may be a different Lyons Court.
Patrick Connor's neighbour Elizabeth Manchester at 1 Lyons court is still there in 1871 and 1881.
Ardwick isn't mentioned on Elizabeth's records in any of those three census years
Elizabeth Manchester in the 1881 England Census Name: Elizabeth Manchester Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Female Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 1 Lyons Court Marital status: Widow Occupation: Laundress Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: St George
However, Ardwick is stated specifically in other people's records in 1861, 1871, and 1881. For example only - picking one from each year, entirely at random:
Sarah Ellen Sowerby in the 1861 England Census Name: Sarah Ellen Sowerby Age: 24 Estimated birth year: 1837 Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick
Mary Burgess in the 1871 England Census Name: Mary Burgess Age: 48 Estimated birth year: 1823 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Chorlton Lancashire England Civil Parish: Ardwick Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick
Ada Podmore in the 1881 England Census Name: Ada Podmore Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Gender: Female Where born: Hulme Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Ardwick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 11 Mewitt Street Occupation: Home Work Registration district: Chorlton
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15 Oct 2019 12:12 |
Thank you Chris
I can get that one up and check the streets round it I've a feeling she might have come from Ireland ?? unmarried mother
it gives me some thing to go off
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15 Oct 2019 11:47 |
Looks to be below (unless there is another)...(1861 Census taken 7th April)
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1861 Patrick Connon (Connor) Head Married Male 32 1829 Tailor Ireland Margaret Connon Wife Married Female 31 1830 Tailoress Ireland Edward Connon Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England John Connon Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England Sarah A Connon Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England 5, Lyons Court, Manchester, Lancashire,
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15 Oct 2019 11:23 |
Got the birth certificate District Chorlton Ardwick 21 Sept 1861 William Thomas Boy mother Ann Earley mother signed with a cross address 5 Lyons court Ardwick registered 19 October 1861
So if any one can find out who lived at 5 lyons court 1861 please my luck they won't be there
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9 Oct 2019 16:41 |
Earley / Hurley / Howley are just variations depending on how the clerk thought it sounded and ought to be spelled.
If the family members were illiterate, they wouldn't know how to spell it in any case.
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9 Oct 2019 16:35 |
Would get the Birth Cert., see what it says, also address...
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Edits (your reference to his Mother down as Ann, where is this from?, if the Birth Cert., what address is there)
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9 Oct 2019 15:50 |
Thanks Chris I've just been looking at the baptism om Lancashire...….. The first bit is means William I've seen that before but it's the next bit fillius Georgii Howel & Hannae does that mean his parents??
It would seem we have Earley-Hurley now Howley could they be transcription errors but then Corby in the margin?
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9 Oct 2019 15:32 |
(info. regarding Church of Baptism)
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https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Ardwick/staloysius/index.html
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/StAloysius
Baptisms filius son of similarly, male names often end in ‘us’
https://www.freereg.org.uk/cms/information-for-transcribers/latin-words-to-recognise
Edits (and below, the Godparent)
1861 Scholes Scholes Head Married Male 45 1816 Plasterer And Painter Manchester, Lancashire, England Ellen Scholes Wife Married Female 50 1811 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Scholes Scholes Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Labourer In Paper Mill Manchester, Lancashire, England Ann Scholes Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 Binder In Cotton Mill Manchester, Lancashire, England 10, Ashton Road, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire
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9 Oct 2019 15:24 |
Yes the census for the Cook family fits on the marriage certificate Elizabeths father is George a bolt maker
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