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She wasn’t with Florence in 1939
Florence Worrall
[P Worrall]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1910
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 2
Residence Place: Chertsey, Surrey, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 196
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DMCO
Registration district: 32-2
Inferred Spouse: Joseph Worrall
Inferred Children: Margaret Rose Worrall
Household Members:
Name
Joseph Worrall
Florence Worrall
Margaret Rose Worrall
No closed records

She seems to have died in Cornwall

Florence Patricia Worrall
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1910
Registration Date: Jul 1978
[Aug 1978]
[Sep 1978]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 0616


She wasn’t listed as Florence p though on the 1939 record although it’s been annotated on it later

They married in 1939

Thanks for that. Yes, good idea to look for a death certificate or where she lived later on. I think she died somewhere in the south of England, possibly Surrey, as she moved down there with one of her daughters (?Florence) later in life.

In case it's relevant. From SP, Margaret McDonald, father Thomas mother Maria Haynes, who married 17/4/1874. Margaret was born 9/7/1878 Glebe Will street Wilton. Registered on 15 July by her father.

I've edited the dates here - didn't look at my notes properly.

That's not very helpful, had hoped one could have been related to Margaret and may have helped in establishing if the family I posted for her was correct.

Bernard appears to have been born in Co Durham, and was also catholic - but I've no way of being sure of this.

Do you know Margaret's birthday ie date/month? I think you have her in your tree on ancestry with a death around 1958, where did she die? If we had her birthday it may be possible to locate her on the 1939 register if she remained in England, though who knows if that will help.

Good idea.
Yes, I have it.
Date: 31/8/1895, St Leonards Catholic Church in the District of Sunderland
Thomas Murray, 28 years, bachelor, labourer, residence Gordon Terrace Ryhope, father: Patrick Murray, labourer.
Margaret McDonald, 18 years, spinster, 26 Alice st Ryhope, father: Thomas McDonald, contractor.
Witnesses Margaret McCabe, Bernard McGorrighan. Rev B Darley Priest

The names of the witnesses don't mean anything to me, perhaps they were friends? If they had newly arrived in Sunderland, they may not have known many people?

Shauna, what are the full details from Margaret/Thomas marriage certificate, I assume you have it to get her fathers name. Who were the witnesses, could they provide any leads?

Wow, thanks! That is certainly the closest I've come to something that looks reasonable. I know one of her own daughters was named Florence, while all the other children had names from her husband's family.

Haven't found Thomas, but this could be the family in 1891:

Maria McDonald
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Registration Number: 789
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 16 Buccleuch St
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_384
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria McDonald 37
William McDonald 14
Maggie McDonald 12
Thomas McDonald 9
Florence McDonald 6
Maria McDonald 4

This could be the parents marriage:
MCDONALD
THOMAS
HAYNES
MARIA
1874
776/B 8
Ladhope

Could this be her parents, now in Durham?

Thomas Mc Donald
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Maria Mc Donald
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Gateshead
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Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4756
Folio: 144
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mc Donald 53
Maria Mc Donald 47
Thomas Mc Donald 19
Florence Mc Donald 16
Maria Mc Donald 13

All born Scotland

Their child would appear to be this one

Death
MURRAY
THOMAS PATRICK 0
1897
501/ 14
Old or West Kilpatrick

Birth

MURRAY
THOMAS PATRICK
M
1896
501/ 610
Old or West Kilpatrick


Don’t know if the certs will help though but the area is on the river Clyde

If the above is correct, this is probably her birth:

MCDONALD
MARGARET
F
1878
810/ 134
Wilton

This could be a possibility?

Thomas McDonald
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Maria McDonald
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalry, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 810
Registration district: Wilton
Civil Parish: Wilton
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Glebe Mill Cotteges
Occupation: Contractor (Roads)
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 88
Line: 10
Roll: cssct1881_320
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McDonald 33
Maria McDonald 29
Mary McDonald 6
William McDonald 4
Margaret McDonald 3 Born Wilton, Roxburghshire
Annie Donald 29 (Boarder)
Elizabeth Einnes 25 (Boarder)

Clydebank would make sense as thomas Murray was a dock labourer

Their first child seems to have been born in Scotland too

Extract from 1911 census criossed through

Thomas Patrick Murray
Age in 1911: Dead
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dalmuir, Scotland

There's this one, also claiming to be born Hawick:

Margaret McDonald
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Hawick, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 6 Chalmer's Str
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 74
Household schedule number: 6
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_352

It appears to be a school, with a number or other girls there
Added: two female adults there are sisters of mercy.

Also, its interesting that her birth place is given as Hawick on the 1911 census.

The family hearsay was that she was from somewhere around Clydebank, as that is where she apparently met her future husband, Thomas. He came over from Ireland, and was working as a labourer for her father, also Thomas, who was a contractor.

Thanks Shirley!

James born in 1901 in South Shields was my grandfather. I have traced the family of Thomas Murray my great grandfather in Ireland. But so far I can't find out anything more about Margaret. I will try Scotlands People.

Nope it’s not her as she is still at home in 1901

Maggie Mcdonald
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Donald Mcdonald
Mother's name: Betsy Mcdonald
Gender: Female
Where born: Hawick, roxburghshire
Registration Number: 789/1
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 4 Glebe View
Occupation: Tweed Penciller
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_422
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald Mcdonald 57
Betsy Mcdonald 47
Maggie Mcdonald 24n>>>>>>>>
Mary Mcdonald 21
Donald Mcdonald 20
Walter Mcdonald 16
Thomas Warwick 17

The only Hawick birth on census is this one
1881 census
Margaret Macdonald
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Donald Macdonald
Mother's name: Mary Macdonald
Gender: Female
Where born: Hawick, Roxbro
Registration Number: 789
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 5 Glebe Terrace
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 124
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_317
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald Macdonald 37
Mary Macdonald 35
Janet Macdonald 14
Agnes Macdonald 11
Fiddes Macdonald 9
William Macdonald 7
John Macdonald 6
Margaret Macdonald 4
Mary Macdonald 1
Donald Macdonald 1 Mo

And
1891 census

Maggie McDonald
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Donald McDonald
Gender: Female
Where born: Hawick, Roxburghshire
Registration Number: 789
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 4 Glebe View
Occupation: Woollen Inker & Specker
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 157
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_384
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald McDonald 47 woolsorter
Janet McDonald 24
Agnes McDonald 21
Fiddes McDonald 19
John McDonald 16
Maggie McDonald 14
Mary McDonald 22
Donald McDonald 10
Walter McDonald 6
.

This is the only birth on Scotlands people in Hawick, as given in 1911. Could be worth taking a look, but you will need some credits.

MCDONALD
MARGARET
F
1876
789/ 192
Hawick

1901 census it’s Murray on the census sheet will do an amendment

Thomas Mullay
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Margaret Mullay
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: South Shields
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Ecclesiastical parish: st stephen so shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:35 Fawcett street

Occupation:foreman labourer at docks

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4728
Folio: 34
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 113
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mullay 33
Margaret Mullay 24
Alice Mullay 3
Francis Mullay 1
Patrick Mullay 30 brother born ireland foreman in docks
James Murray 21 brother born Ireland occ insurance agent

James was mistranscribed as aged 2 amendment done