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Andrew Lee, b 1886 Durham

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Rambling

Rambling Report 28 Sep 2019 15:16

Going back I wanted to look for Anthony earlier, just to try and connect the Bells. This may have been posted before I know i did look at it,

This may be him, I wonder also as the name Mark is one of his brothers and may have carried down to his son?

Main Street, Monk Hesildon, Easington, Durham, England
Year of census: 1861

John Bell Head Married Male 52 1799 Miner Chester Le Street, Durham, England
Sarah Bell Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Yorkshire, England
John Bell Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Miner Durham, England
Mary Bell Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - Durham, Durham, England
Mark Bell Son Unmarried Male 14 1837 Miner Shildon, Durham, England
Anthony Bell Son - Male 10 1841 At Home Durham, Durham, England
Sarah Bell Daughter - Female 8 1843 At Home Durham, Durham, England
Elizabeth Bell Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Durham, Durham, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 28 Sep 2019 14:41

and on 1901, all these Margarets are very confusing!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Guys Yard, 3, Kirkby Street, Maryport, Netherhall, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England


William Raven Head Married Male 51 1850 Shoe Maker Flimby, Cumberland, England
Margaret Raven Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Wreay, Cumberland, England
Joseph Raven Son Single Male 25 1876 Ship Cook Maryport, Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Raven Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Dressmaker Maryport, Cumberland, England
James Raven Son Single Male 15 1886 Grocers Apprentice Maryport, Cumberland, England
Tom S Raven Son - Male 10 1891 - Maryport, Cumberland, England
Mary J Raven Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Maryport, Cumberland, England
Isabella Raven Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Maryport, Cumberland, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 28 Sep 2019 14:34

Coming back to this.
This is the Robert on the 1881 census, written as Ravean

RAVEN, ROBERT mmn BELL
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 572

Likely the son of


Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%)
BELL Margaret Cockermouth 10b 961
RAVEN William Cockermouth 10b 961

Another child which helps

RAVEN, JOSEPH BELL BELL
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 630

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Guys Yard, Kirkby Street, Crosscanonby, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

William Ravens Head Married Male 41 1850 Shoe Maker Cumberland, England
Margaret Ravens Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Cumberland, England
Joseph B Ravens Son Single Male 15 1876 Gardener Apprentice Cumberland, England
Robert Ravens Son - Male 13 1878 Billiard Marker Cumberland, England
Margaret Ravens Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Cumberland, England
William Ravens Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Ravens Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Cumberland, England
eJames Ravens Son - Male 5 1886 - Cumberland, England
Tom S Ravens Son - Male 0 1891 - Cumberland, England
Archibald M L Ravens Son - Male 0 1891 - Cumberland, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Sep 2019 08:53

Is her age wrong, on 1901 as 39?...(the 1891 Asylum says 42, wife of Pitman)...

Which Death 1909 have you found?

Chris :)

John

John Report 28 Sep 2019 00:15

Rambling, Re your post Sarah Dennison Bell b 1873 I found her living with her widowed Grandmother Ann Dennison in 1881 in Stockton on Tees, must have been taken in because of her mothers mental illness.

John

John Report 27 Sep 2019 23:15

Just found the answer to my above post. A marriage for a Richard Connor to Margaret Lee Sept 1874 Weardale which is in the Durham district. So the grandaughter Margaret Jane Connor b 1875 is their child and I would think that Robert Ravean could be the child of Anthoy Bell, Seeing that his wife was medically unfit she wouldn't know who perhaps this Margaret Connor was visiting

John

John Report 27 Sep 2019 23:00

Can someone fathom out with me the connection of Margaret Connor age 22 b Scotland, visitor, mentioned as being in the household of Anthony Bell and Margaret Bell I believe nee Dennison ,on the 1881 census, it states Margaret Bell was a Lunatic. Also listed in the household which seems odd , a Robert Ravean visitor age 1 yr. Could he have been the son of Margaret Connor. I know that Anthony Bell and Margaret Bell nee Lee in the 1891 census had a son Robert, checked the Gro index, Robert Bell b1879 mother Lee. Could this be this Robert Ravean. Found in 1891 Margaret Bell nee Dennison, wife of Anthony was in a Lunatic Asylum in Durham, she died in 1909. Anthony Bell and Margaret Lee were living in Pontefract area in 1891. The 2 sons of Anthony Bell and Margaret nee Dennison were still in Durham, The eldest David Dennison Bell b 1872 was a servant in a household in 1891 and his younger brother John was living with Anthony's parents in B.Auckland. But they both got married in Pontefract.. Obviously it seems now that Anthony Bell and Margaret Lee never married but by 1901 they were living apart. Also a coincidence, there was a Margaret Jane Connor b1875 grandaughter living with the parents of Margaret Lee, Patrick and Margaret Lee on the 1881 census in Durham.

John

John Report 26 Sep 2019 19:38

, Looking at the birth of Robert Bell b 1877 Haltwhistle, it wasn’t thought it was him, I looked up where Haltwhistle was and it is in Durham so it must be him. Regarding Andrew Bell ,he was Andrew Lee on his Military records and Sleepburn Durham , Looking at the record of grand parents, Patrick and Margaret their address was Sheepburn Colliery Durham, so must be Andrew Bell. His brother Anthony Bell, b 1883 Lancaster, which I found was also in Durham.

John

John Report 26 Sep 2019 19:38

, Looking at the birth of Robert Bell b 1877 Haltwhistle, it wasn’t thought it was him, I looked up where Haltwhistle was and it is in Durham so it must be him. Regarding Andrew Bell ,he was Andrew Lee on his Military records and Sleepburn Durham , Looking at the record of grand parents, Patrick and Margaret their address was Sheepburn Colliery Durham, so must be Andrew Bell. His brother Anthony Bell, b 1883 Lancaster, which I found was also in Durham.

alviegal

alviegal Report 26 Sep 2019 10:51

I think Margaret Lee's family returned to Scotland. Patrick and Peter are interchangeable.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Watsonville Rows, 85, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Peter Lee Head Married Male 55 1826 Coal Miner Ireland
Margaret Lee Wife Married Female 52 1829 - Ireland
Jane Lee Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1863 Employed In Bleach Work Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Margaret Jane Connor Granddaughter - Female 5 1876 - England
James Farrell Boarder Widower Male 52 1829 Coal Miner Ireland



CONNOR, MARGARET JANE LEE
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 324

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Sep 2019 08:23

Below (FMP) also applies to Andrew, some blank pages, you just have to keep going through!, he is writing to apply for Medals, address 14, Harpur Street, as 1911 posted earlier.

Chris :)

Lee Andrew 1885 — 1903 British Army Service Records Durham, Durham, England


(another for him)

WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Andrew Lee
York and Lancaster Regiment, Labour Corps 7204, 700732


(below also looks to apply)

13 September 1938 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

CHARGES AGAINST FOUR YOUTHS
...and Robert, Lee (17). labourer, 14, Harpur street, Rotherham, were also charged having broken into the offices of T. Wall and Sons. Ltd., Raw-marsh road, 13 July, and stolen property worth 45s. Lee was also remanded until tomorrow, bail being allowed.

(Andrew at same, 1939 (18 Nov 1885 )

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 23:58

Rambling. I have been on the GRO indexes and found the following children with name of Bell, mother Lee. Robert William b 1877 Halfwhistle, Northumberland. Mark b 1881 Durham, Anthony b 1883 Lanchester Durham. Andrew b 1885 Durham, Agnes Rebecca b 1889 Pontefract. The only one with the name of Lee was Enoch b 1899 Pontefract as you said with no mothers name. . So that's confirmed all the children except Enoch had the father as being Bell. Obviously all must gave altered when Enoch was born, Margaret must have been going through rough times because of her being jailed in 1901.

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 22:14

Will rule the marriage of Percy and Margaret Bell out, thanks. ,Looks like Agnes R . Lee the same daughter of Margaret but in Doncaster when her brother Enoch born in 1899 Pontefract and Margaret living there in 1901. Wonder if Agnes was in a workhouse too. Can't believe how confusing the family is.

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 21:42

Sadly another early death I think , here as Lee but birth reg as Agnes Rebecca Bell

Deaths Jun 1900 (>99%)
Lee Agnes Rebecca 11 Doncaster 9c 474

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Sep 2019 21:11

Not the Margaret A Lee who married Percy A Bell 1930, they were born 1906 & 1904 and are on the 1939 register,

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 21:00

Barrhead is in Glasgow so must be the correct Margaret . I have found marriage in 1930 Gateshead , Durham between a Margaret Lee and a Percy Bell ?I wonder if any connection to Anthony Bell . Then found a death for a Margaret Bell in York Sept 1944.. On Andrew Lee's Military record, states mothers address Unknown.

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 20:41

Oh how sad. Alviegal. History repeating itself, because Robert Lee b 1921 , his brother Andrews Lee/Bell son was killed in the pit in Worksop I 1955

John

John Report 25 Sep 2019 20:28

How interesting, Enoch must have been a sad little soul to be taken in by Maria Abel.

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 20:27

poor Enoch was killed in an accident.It was decided he was' either pitched against or struck something sharp.'

Coroner, Mr. R. A. H. Tovey, investigated a rather mysterious accident in the Yorkshire Main pit at Edlington on Tuesday, as result • which a’ young rope runner, Enoch Lee, 17, of 77, Balby Road, Doncaster, lost his life. He and another youth were in
11 March 1916 - Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 25 Sep 2019 20:22

This one says she was Protestant and from Barhead.

Name: Margaret Lee
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1861
Birth Place: Scotland
Age: 39
Event Date: 25 Aug 1900
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude