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Perhaps Thomas Henry in 1881, with age slightly out ??

Thomas Wheeler
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Wheeler
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 20 Gainford St
Occupation: Stable Boy (Huntsmans Ser)
Registration district: Islington
Sub Registration District: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors:
Piece: 233
Folio: 64
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Amos 31
Maria Amos 28
Edward W. Amos 9
Grace Amos 5
Thomas Wheeler 14



Or this one ???

Thomas Wheeler
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Wheeler
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Llandegfan
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales
Street address: "Clio"
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholars Training For The Sea
Registration district: Bangor
Sub Registration District: Beaumaris
ED, institution, or vessel: Industrial Training School Ship Cleo
Neighbors:
Piece: 5574
Folio: 118
Page Number: 2

I wasn't sure if that Corsham was the right George, which is why I posted below, in case of...

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7879065

(Name Wheeler, George Place of Birth: Corsham, Wiltshire Continuous Service...
Date of Birth: 23 December 1840)


I had wondered if you have had any previous queries relating to George, as I had a 'Tick' coming up on Navy Record FMP, this means 'viewed before'

Chris :)

(below from 1851 Census)

Baptism
County Somerset
Place Walcot
Church name Holy Trinity
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1179
Baptism date 12 Oct 1848
Person forename Eliza
Father forename David
Mother forename Jane
Father surname WHEELER
Person abode 3 Queen Street
Father occupation Tailor

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(and below, male infant, 1851)

Birth
WHEELER, FRANCIS WORKMAN
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in BATH Volume 11 Page 46


Edits (below link for GRO Index to check maiden names)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

From below, regarding Jane Tyler Marriage 1838...

(Workman is Maiden Name given for George 1839, along with Sarah and Fanny)

Chris :)

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

HOLMES John TYLER Jane Cheltenham Charlton Kings St Mary 1838 1 16


http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(above for Wiltshire)


Wiltshire baptisms index 1530-1917 (Find My Past)

First name(s) Jane
Last name Workman
Birth year 1818
Birth date ? ? 1818
Baptism year 1818
Baptism date 07 Jun 1818
Place Corsham
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's occupation Plasterer
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Wiltshire


(below from google search)

https://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk › Items › Corsham - Marriages 1800-1837

Workman. Robert. Bach. Jennings. Sarah. Spin. 1804. 31-Oct. Edwards. John. Bach. Evans. Mary. Spin. Pucklechurch, Glos. Licence.


(looking at Wilts. and Glos. Marriages on Ancestry, not seeing!)

Hi ArgyllGran & Chris Ho,

Thanks for the latest finds. Here are my comments:

ArgyllGran
Could Tibley be an incorrect spelling for Sibley (with an S) - her father's name is stated as Sibley LILES on her marriage cert. Perhaps Tibley should be SIBLEY??
With regards to 2x 1881 census finds for Thomas WHEELER - his occupation as time of marriage in 1892 was labourer, so perhaps stable boy or scholar training for sea turned into labourer 11 years later. Hard to tell. I'll see if I can trace an 1891 for either of those Thomas WHEELER's you have found, looking for a stable/horse worker and/or seaman. At least to eliminate if nothing else.

Chris Ho
I don't have any memories of previously request info on George WHEELER, and I've just checked my historical 'watched threads' - no previous requests on the WHEELER family.
Birth of George WHEELER in 1840 Corsham - not sure. I'll see if I can find more info for Continuous Service Number: 30382 that might give more clues as to if it's my George WHEELER or not. Gut feeling says no, but gut can often be proven very wrong with family research.
Yes, Eliza WHEELER baptism is correct. George WHEELER the tailor and his wife Jane were in Somerset in 1851 census - Class: HO107; Piece: 1942; Folio: 454; Page: 5; GSU roll: 221101.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp - this link takes me to the cert ordering page on gro.gov.uk site - not sure how to navigate that site to find maiden names. I never knew they were available before 1912ish. You learn something new every day!
Marriage David WHEELER and Jane TYLER - looks like I wrongly assumed David married a Jane 'TYLER' (indeed Jane TYLER married John HOLMES) - seems it should be Jane WORKMAN - but not finding a marriage for a David WHEELER and Jane WORKMAN.... I have now updated my tree to read Jane WORKMAN. David and Jane are together in the 1841 census with son George at Sandy Lane in Whithing Tithing, Calne District - Class: HO107; Piece: 1168; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Calne Parish; County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 46; Page: 8; Line: 22; GSU roll: 464193. Where is David WHEELER and Jane WORKMAN's marriage registration????
Thanks for Jane WORKMAN's baptism record in 1818 and great marriage find for her parents Robert WORKMAN and Sarah JENNINGS!

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You have to register on GRO before you can search...(has been available since end of 2016, I believe)

Chris :)

(Marriage David and Jane, not seeing, so far!)

Yes, it's possible Tibley should be Sibley -

But Tibley (or whatever it might be) is the MOTHER's maiden name, so shouldn't have anything to do with Mary Ann's father's name.

If she invented her supposed father's name, there are a number of births of girls named Mary (Ann) Sibley in various parts of London at around the right time - but no marriage of a Sibley to an Iles or Liles.
None of those are illegitimate births.

Chris Ho
I am a registered member of the GRO site, so I will log in and see if I can find the search function - never knew about this possibility since 2016!
I've managed to find all the baptisms for David and Jane's children born in the Bath, Somerset district using the Bath GRO site (like the Gloucestershire site you linked earlier). I also tried hunting in Bath district for a marriage of a David WHEELER and Jane WORKMAN, but didn't find anything.....

ArgyllGran
I'm referring to Chris Ho's possible find (see below) with regards to parents for Mary Ann LILE which might mean her father's surname was SIBLEY which would mean her maiden name was SIBLEY (wrongly transcribed as TIBLEY with a T)? And that it was her mother's maiden name that was LILE.... long shot, but you never know!

Marriage
10 Apr 1842 Christ Church, Southwark
George Sibley (Widower)
Mary Liles (Spinster)

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(rest of info. from 1842)

Chris :)

Christ Church Southwark 10 Apr 1842
George Sibley (Full Age, Widower, occ. Carpenter, 4, George Street. Father, William Sibley, occ. Bricklayer)
Mary Liles (Full Age, Spinster, 4, George Street. Father, Henry Liles, occ. Builder)
(wits. James Pridaux, E. Liles)


(below that witness, George Sibley was the witness, her Abode, Brook Mews, same occ. again for Henry Liles)

Marriages Mar 1848 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Capp George Kensington 3 229
LILES Elizabeth Kensington 3 229


1851
George Capp Head Married Male 24 1827 Conductor Enfield, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Capp Wife Married Female 24 1827 - Westbury, Wiltshire, England
William Capp Son - Male 3 1848 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
Frederick Capp Son - Male 0 1851 - Paddington, Middlesex, England
Princess Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex,


Birth
CAPP, WILLIAM HENRY LYALLS
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULLHAM Volume 03

Birth
CAPP, GEORGE FREDERICK LILES
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 205


(a Surname for variants, that one!)


1841
Henry Lyles Male 55 1786 Wiltshire, England (Bricklayer)
Mary Lyles Female 55 1786 -
Amelia Greenland Female 7 1834 Wiltshire, England
Chalford, Westbury, Westbury & Whorwelsdown, Wiltshire


1851
Henry Liles Head Married Male 72 1779 Mason Chalford, Wiltshire, England
Mary Liles Wife Married Female 70 1781 - Exeter, Devon, England
Amelia Greenland Niece - Female 14 1837 Glover Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Chalford, Westbury, Wiltshire,


1861
Henry Lyles Head Widower Male 88 1773 Bricklayer Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Amelia Greenland Granddaughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 Glove Maker Westbury, Wiltshire, England


Wiltshire Death indexes for the years: 1862

LILES Henry 90 Westbury History Centre WEST/8/307


1841 (if George)
William Sebley Male 50 1791 (Gardener) (these 3 Not Born in County)
Samuel Sebley Male 20 1821 (Bricklayer)
George Sebley Male 20 1821 (Carpenter)
Alfred Sebley Male 8 1833 Middlesex, England
Henry Sebley Male 2 1839 Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Sebley Female 40 1801 (Laundress)
Graham Street, Lower, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex


1851
William Sibby Head - Male 64 1787 Working Gardener Poole, Dorset, England
Elizabeth - Wife - Female 54 1797 - Aldgate, Middlesex, England
Ann Jewell Sister Unmarried Female 50 1801 House Servant Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Alfred Sibley Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Journeyman Bricklayer Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Mary Jewell Niece - Female 14 1837 Artificial Florish Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Graham Street West, Saint George, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex


(no idea about above in relation to Wheeler/Liles, just added in case!)