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Assuming Betty was born in Winnipeg, it's worth noting that Manitoba births are closed for 100y.

It's unusual for a record to be redacted on FMP but not on Ancestry.
It's usually the other way round.

I suppose it's just possible that she has died very recently, since the 2019 ER was compiled.
The 1939 record of a neighbour of mine, who died in 2017, is already open on Ancestry - I assume also on FMP.

ok will delete ref

Maddie,
The child has been redacted on the FMP version but is still showing on the Ancestry one.
Based on the info supplied by ArgyllGran, this girl is not deceased and should not be visible on either

1939
8 West View, Cheshunt U.D., Hertfordshire, England

Alexander L Anderson 28 Jul 1887 Male Oxy Acerglene Welder Married 193 1
Lilian Anderson 22 Sep 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 193 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Betty J Anderson married Mr Dring in Wandsworth in 1950.

Was on ER for Bury St Edmunds in 2003-10.

EDIT:
In fact, still there with her husband on 2019 ER, per 192.com.

Name: Alexander Liddle Anderson
Death Date: 29 Jul 1963
Death Place: Hertfordshire, Hertford, England
Probate Date: 10 Sep 1963
Probate Registry: Ipswich



with alexander and lillian
Name: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Arrival Age: 6
Birth Date: abt 1927
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 13 Nov 1933
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: New York and Boston
Ship Name: Georgic
Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line
Official Number: 162365
Search Ship Database: Search for the Georgic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Canadian military records give DOB as 28 Jul 1887.

This man together with wife Lilian and inferred child are all on the 1939 Register.

Alexander L Anderson
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1887***
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 8 West View
Residence Place: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Oxy Acetylene Welder
Schedule Number: 193
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: CGDL
Registration district: 132-9
Inferred Spouse: Lilian Anderson
Inferred Children: Betty Joan Anderson (Dring)

Just to add my bit:

1915 valuation roll of 169, High St, Linlithgow
Robert Anderson, Tenant/Occupier
( Roll is out of date as this man died in 1914 aged 57)

By 1920
Jane Anderson., Tenant/Occuper. WIDOW

EDIT:
1901 169, High St, Linlithgow

Robert Anderson 42
Jane Anderson 40
William Anderson 15
*Alexander Anderson 13
Jane Anderson 1 ( Jane Erskine Anderson b 1889)
Mary M Gregor 23



1911 Index 688/2/9
Robert 55
Jane49
William 25
Jane Erskin 11

NOTE: Alexander is not in the household

Family relates to Robert Anderson and Jane Liddle who married in Linlinthgow 1885

Further to GG's posting of Alexander's WW1 personnel file:


http://data2.archives.ca/e/e444/e011089535.pdf

Nominal Roll of Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers and Men
43rd Battalion
Canadian Expeditionary Force.

Embarkation
Port: Montreal
Ship: SS Grampian
Date: June 1st 1915.

List includes:
Alexander Liddle Anderson, 120702; L Corporal;
Former corps: 79th Regiment
NOK: Mrs Anderson, 160 [ 169 ? ] High Street, Linlithgow, Scotland
Country of birth: Scotland.
Taken on Strength: at Winnipeg on 24 Dec 1914.

Departure record (from FMP) for Lilian. Military passengers do not appear to have been transcribed and so no original pages to be seen.

Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

First name(s) Lilian
Last name Anderson
Gender Female
Departure year 1919
Departure day 31
Departure month 7
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Province Quebec
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Scandinavian
Ship official number 109441
Ship master's first name E
Ship master's last name GRIFFITHS
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY ATLANTIC STEAMSHIP LINE.
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship registered tonnage 7729
Number of passengers 289
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas

Military Dependants handwritten on form and all passengers on page have handwritten note under the "Country of last Permanent Residence" says "Take as emigrants from England"

Lillian Anderson
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Lillian Anderson
Gender: Female
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 8 Aug 1919
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Scandinavian

Married, born England, hadn't been in Canada before.
Listed under "Canadian Military Dependents".
Going to Winnipeg.
Non-conformist.



Alexander L Anderson
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Alexander L Anderson
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 8 Aug 1919
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Scandinavian


Listed with military personnel.
No 420702, Sgt.
Regt: CFC
Unit: 43 Bn
NOK: Wife
Presbyterian
Going to Winnipeg.
One dependent.

Alex's CEF record (p22 of 62) says "Embd Liverpool 31/7/1919" and "Debk'd 8/8/1919"
A search at
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/search.aspx
using this info gets:

Ship:SCANDINAVIAN
Shipping Line:Canadian Pacific Railway Co.
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Date of Departure: 1919-07-31
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec Montreal, Quebec
Date of Arrival: 1919-08-08 1919-08
Year:1919
Microfilm Reel Number:T-14701
Reference:RG 76
Item Number:6984




I searched Ancestry for Anderson arriving 8/8/1919 on Scandinavian

All Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 results for Anderson
Results 1–26 of 26
View Record Name Birth Year Arrival Date Arrival Port Departure Port Vessel View Images
View Record Alexander L Anderson date Quebec, Canada location Scandinavian
View Record Lillian Anderson date Quebec, Canada location Scandinavian
etc.

Maybe someone can check out the images - I expect they are listed seperately - Alex with the troops, and Lillian with the regular passengers.
(As Alex's dependent, Lillian's trip would be paid for by the Dominion gov't.)

? There might not be a record for him going back to Canada if it was a troopship transport and ? the same for War Brides

You say "strike it off my tree".

Which man is definitely on your tree - the Linlithgow one or the Canadian?

Thank you for that I'll strike it off my tree

Just to round that off -

Alexander Anderson
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Alexander Anderson
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Place: Quebec, Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Lillian Anderson
Father Birth Place: Ireland
Mother Birth Place: Ontario, Canada
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Province or Territory: Quebec
District: Montreal (Ste Anne)
District Number: 196
Sub-District: Verdun (City)
Sub-District Number: 58
City, Town or Village: Verdun
Street or Township: 171 Gordon Ave
Municipality: Verdun
Occupation: Spring Maker
Income: 1700
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Anderson 33
Lillian Anderson 25 - England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Antriage Anderson 3 - Scotland <<<<<<<<<<<< [Autridge on image ]
Nezlia Anderson 1 - Quebec [ born Neilya, though census says Neylia ]

This is the marriage of that couple;

ANDERSON
ALEXANDER
TOZER
EMILY LILLIAN
1917
644/20 29
Plantation


TOZER, EMILY LILIAN mms BATESON
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 21


So it looks like the Alexander Anderson who travelled to Canada in 1919 is not your Alexander Liddle Anderson - especially as it seems he was born in Canada, not Linlithgow..

Got the birth certificate for Auterdige Lillian Anderson but it has father Alexander Anderson a steel furnaceman mother EmilyLillian Anderson Ms Toger (that's what it looks like) So it would appear she something doesn't fit?

The 1919 travel record posted above by mgnv gives the following details:

The whole page is headed "Returning Canadians".

Alexander Anderson, 31, married, born in Canada.
Destination: c/o GPO, Montreal.
106 [406 ?] Gordon Avenue. [I'm not sure if that's the GPO address or not - I guess it is.]

Lillian Anderson, 23, married,.
Country of [birth ?]: England.
Same destination as Alexander.

Aubridge L, 1, female, single, Scotland.
Same address.


This will be the birth of that child:

ANDERSON
AUTERDIGE LILLI
F
1918
644/21 291
Govan


The column headings are very blurred on the 1919 travel record, and I can't really make them out.
One column has the answer "yes" for Alexander, "no" for Lillian, and is blank for the child. [EDIT: "Have you ever been in Canada before?"]

One column has "yes" for all three. [EDIT: "Do you (something - probably "intend") to permanently (something - probably "reside") in Canada? ]

Two more columns have "yes" for the parents and "no" for the child. [ EDIT: from previous pages I see that those columns are for "Can you read" or "write".]