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On 1911 census we found William's first wife Harriet with 2 children - Martha + William.

I have found Martha's details and will post info later but this is important because I have found the William we are looking for back with Harriet on 1939.

As we discovered from their marriage details, he appears to be quite a bit older than he later claims, (we will find proof of that when we track down his birth reg.).


1939 - names should be HOLLAND !!!

William Halland's life in 1939
7 Beckett Street, Bolton C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William Halland 21 Feb 1878 Male Pedlar Married 70 1
Harriet Halland 09 Jul 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 70 2

NEXT DOOR:

William Halland's life in 1939
9 Beckett Street, Bolton C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William Halland 18 Apr 1906 Male General Labourer Cotton Mill Married 71 1 (Special Constable Bolton ...)
Louise (Dorothy) Halland 27 Dec 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 71 2
Audrey J Crompton (Halland) 04 Jun 1933 Female At School Single 71 3
Nigel D Halland 13 Jul 1935 Male At School Single 71 4

They are all still at Beckett St. as in 1911.

Marriage: 14 Feb 1931 St Luke, Halliwell, Lancashire, England
William Holland - 24, Warehouseman, Bachelor, 7 Beckett Street
Dorothy Louise Corbin - 21, Domestic Servant, Spinster, Lostock Dean, Hollywood Road, Heaton
Groom's Father: William Holland, Traveller
Bride's Father: Harry Corbin, Dairyman
Witness: Frank Jackson; Phyllis May Corbin
Married by Banns by: Arthur J. Brown Vicar
Register: Marriages 1928 - 1939, Page 25, Entry 49


Just off to 'tie down' William Snr.'s birth - will return later..............

Dea x

Paul - have sent p.m.

Dea x

Thanks

Paul

When I am 'grandchild-free' this evening I will sort out everything we have which is proved and set it out in order so that everything is sorted for you.

I will sort out whatever extra bits and pieces I can find during the day.

See you later,

Dea x

Hi Dea,

yes as I said yesterday things happened so fast and info was coming from lots of sources I need to collate what we now know to be correct. I am very slow computing at the moment but was quite good before my opp. and was much better at focusing on a particular thing I have got back into trying to do my Family History but as I said my brain seems to be on a go slow. Thanks for all the help you are giving me and have given me, you must be in contact with lots of FH sites to have been able to get what you have

Paul

OOOOOOoooooooo - that's a 'nasty one'!! - you are fortunate it was found and they were able to deal with it !!

I am happy to give any help I can on this - I really do enjoy researching.........

Grandson obviously not well enough for school but is wrapped up in a blanket watching netflicks on his tablet in the bedroom next door to my office so I can pop in and out for a chat and make him drinks etc and he is reasonably happy so what ever you need, just ask away!

I have found a couple of things on Harriet but want to get it a bit sorted before I post. - Will speak later,

Dea x

Thanks Dea

will speak to you later if you don't mind about collating properly what we now now

I am in the recovery stage of a AAA operation and my brain is a little slow at the moment.

Paul

Just had a 'phone call so now expecting 'poorly-sick' grandson for the day so, depending how 'poorly-sick' he is, I will be 'on and off' later...................

Dea x

Marriage: 18 May 1901 Park Street Wesleyan Methodist, Bolton, Lancashire, England
William Holland - 23, Self Actor Minder, Bachelor, 41 Musgrave Rod, Bolton
Harriet Hough - 22, Card Room Hand, Spinster, 98 Chorley Old Road, Bolton
Groom's Father: William Holland, Farrier
Witness: Thomas Lloyd Hammond; Charlotte Whitehead
Married by Certificate by: D. A. de Mouilpied Minister Joseph Brunt Registrar
Register: Marriages 1899 - 1908, Page 16, Entry 32
Source: LDS Film 2411397

Dea x

Good morning Paul,

I presume you have found the following by now but 'Just in case' :


Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
HOLLAND William Bolton 8c 837 Scan available - click to view
Hough Harriet Bolton 8c 837 Scan available - click to view


1911 Census For England & Wales
7 Beckett St Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ms Harriet Holland Head Married Female 32 1879 Cardroom Hands Bolton Lancashire
William Holland Son Single Male 5 1906 School Bolton Lancashire
Martha Holland Daughter Single Female 9 1902 School Bolton Lancashire
Alice Norris Boarder Single Female 16 1895 Ring Frame Doffer Bolton Lancashire


HOLLAND, MARTHA HOUGH
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 406

Will see what else I can find...............

Dea x

EDIT: Gosh this site is SO slow at the moment to accept the posts - I see you have just woke up Paul... ;-) - I have been doing this for a long time now and 'practice makes perfect' - I'm getting there slowly and you will too if you keep at it - after all, it was 'your' Bolton find which shot us further !! :-)

Dea x

"WOW" Dea

How the @@@@@@ did you manage to get all the info you have so quickly, I have been looking for the little info I have on and off for about 5yrs and felt I couldn't get any further and you have done it in a couple of days i'm in awe.

Good night Dea and thanks

Just going off to bed but before I go - you are right !!!

I have a newspaper account to say that the Bolton one is him.

I will try to save it to keepsafes and give you a link.

Dea x

EDIT - Here you are:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/100880179

Click on the link and you should be able to see the article - it is from Penrith Observer 08 June 1920 (goodness knows why it was in that one!)

MUST go now as I am falling asleep.

Will be back in the morning.............

Nite, nite,


Dea x

Dea That sounds good and the address is correct but I need to try and send you a document I have from 1920 whether I am on the right track with this Idon't know I will try and scan it and send bur I am not too good at that

Paul.
You could try. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fccc%2f2b%2fho140%2f00564371

That shows a William Holland convicted in Bolton in 1920 I just thought if there was another wife she could be from Bolton. But yours sounds closer esp.with that address.

Sadly, little Florence died on June 5th 1916 - I can't find Maggie just yet !!

Dea x

GOT 'IM !!!!!

These are his army records on FMP but I have to go and sort tea so will come back to them after !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - (Can't wait !!!).................

Record Transcription:
British Army Service Records

First name(s) William
Last name Holland
Age 30
Birth year 1885
Service number 4/23463
Regiment Lancashire Fusiliers
Unit / Battalion 3rd, 2nd Battalion
Year 1915
Residence town Manchester
Residence county Lancashire
Residence country England
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

I have compared the recruit's signature to the one on the marriage cert to Fanny and I believe they match !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maggie Stevens is mentioned but named as his 'unmarried wife' and they have a daughter Florence born 12/12/14.

He suffered a gunshot wound to the head in 1917 and his earning capacity reduced to 40 % - discharged 20/9/18.

Address 159 Claremont Rd., Moss side !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See you later,

Dea x

Maddie - I believe Paul is saying that William was the one guilty of bigamy not Fanny ?

We need to find a previous marriage for 'him'................

Dea x

in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929
View UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929

Name: Francis Richard Griffiths
Gender: Male
Death Date: 29 Nov 1917
Death Place: France
Rank: Gunner
Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery
Regimental Number: 165064
Other Records: Search for 'Francis Richard Griffiths' in other WWI collection

image says widow Fanny

Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour

First name(s) F R
Last name Griffiths
Birth year -
Death year 1917
Death date 29 Nov 1917
Number 165064
Rank Gunner
Unit 279Th Siege Bty.
Regiment Royal Garrison Artillery
Grave reference XII. B. 1.
Cemetery or memorial Vlamertinghe New Military Cemetery
Burial country Belgium
Link
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War First World War, 1914-1918

fanny in 1911
4 Regent Avenue Moss Side M/C, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
Francis R Griffiths Head Married Male 29 1882 Cloth Examiner In Cotton Goods For Indian Shipping West Bromwich Birmingham
Fanny Griffiths Wife Married Female 27 1884 Household Duties Rusholme M/C
Frances Griffiths Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Hulme M/C
Beatrice E Griffiths Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Hulme M/C
Francis R Griffiths Son - Male 1 1910 - Moss Side M/C
Gladys Griffiths Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Rusholme M/C4 Regent Avenue Moss Side M/C, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

looks like the son went to australia

Name: Francis Richard Griffiths
Birth Date: 20 Apr 1909
Birth Place: Manchester England
Year Range: 1939 - 1948
Enlistment Place: Perth
Service Number: 80083
Next of Kin: Myrtle Griffiths
Series Description: A9301: RAAF, NCOs and Other Ranks


so looks like the marriage in 1919 was NOT a case of bigamy

Name: Francis Richard Griffiths
Birth Place: West Bromwich, Staffs
Residence: Moss Side, Lancs
Death Date: 29 Nov 1917
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Manchester
Rank: Gunner
Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery
Regimental Number: 165064
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Other Records: Search for 'Francis Richard Griffiths' in other WWI collections
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany): Search for 'Royal Garrison Artillery' in the WWI War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) collection
War Diaries (Gallipoli): Search for 'Royal Garrison Artillery' in the WWI War Diaries (Gallipoli) collection