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Hi i am trying to find parentage etc for my gggdad , Thomas Thomas born in redruth aroud 1817, in Redruth . i cant find his father Richard anywhere only details on a marriage certificate for thomas and martha in Liverpool. maybe thomas was at sea as martha my ggg gran was a nurse and had there son before marriage. it says Richard Thomas was a farmer ?? xTracy

Possible?


First name(s) THOMAS
Last name THOMAS
Gender Male
Birth year 1816
Baptism year 1816
Baptism date 21 Apr 1816
Parish Redruth - St Uny
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name -
Relationship Son
Place REDRUTH - ST UNY
County Cornwall
Country England
Record set Cornwall Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

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RICHARD
Last name THOMAS
Age 53
Birth year 1796
Death year 1849
Death date 29 Nov 1849
Place REDRUTH
Burial ground St Uny - Parish Church
County Cornwall
Country England
Card or location number Card
Post nominal -
Reference 514
Record set Cornwall Memorial Inscriptions
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Hard to say as there are a number of Richard Thomas' on the 1841 reg, not with wife Jane, but could have remarried. One in Toxteth born out of county so 'could' be the one given the marriage place for Thomas?

Are there any relatives aside from children on any later census with Thomas and Martha? or witness on marriage cert that might be a clue?

just for ref
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4 Court, 2, Jones Street, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Thomas Thomas Head Married Male 43 1818 Miner Redruth, Cornwall, England
Martha Thomas Wife Married Female 47 1814 Charwoman Over, Cheshire, England
Richard Keye Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

hi he was a farmer ,not a miner , Richard. they got married in liverpool as martha was lodging and nursing there. richard was from cornwall x

Copy of the marriage for reference only.

Lancashire Banns & Marriages

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Thomas
Age 35
Birth year 1817
Occupation Labourer
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1852
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 07 Nov 1852
Place Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 38 Upper Man ST
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Thomas
Father's occupation Farmer
Spouse's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's last name Rey (should be KEY)
Spouse's age 37
Spouse's birth year 1815
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 33 Upper Bedford St
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Rey
Spouse's father's occupation Smith
Witness 1 John Rimmer
Witness 2 Elizabeth Quines (possibly Quinn)

That 1861 is for THOMAS - not Richard.

When Thomas married, he was Labourer

Poss sibling's if correct baptism parents Richard & Jane

Thomas Jane 1818 — 1818 Cornwall Baptisms Redruth - St Uny, Cornwall, England

Thomas Richard 1814 — 1814 Cornwall Baptisms Redruth - St Uny, Cornwall, England

Thomas Sarah 1820 — 1820 Cornwall Baptisms Redruth - St Uny, Cornwall, England

a maybe might be a gooschase

1861
Bolenowe, Camborne, Redruth, Cornwall, England
Richard Thomas Head Married Male 60 1801 Farmer Of 16 Arces Camborne, Cornwall, England
Grace Thomas Wife Married Female 61 1800 - Camborne, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Thomas Daughter Unmarried Female 28 1833 Farmers Daughter Camborne, Cornwall, EnglandBolenowe, Camborne, Redruth, Cornwall, Engla

RICHARD
Last name THOMAS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1820
Marriage date 11 Apr 1820
Parish Camborne
Place CAMBORNE
Groom's first name(s) Richard
Groom's last name THOMAS
Bride's first name(s) Grace
Bride's last name MARTIN
County Cornwall
Country England

Name: Thomas Thomas
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1818
Baptism Place: Camborne,Cornwall,England
Father: Richard Thomas
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number: 0236535, 1471743 IT 2-3

a previous marriage ????
RICHARD
Last name THOMAS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1812
Marriage date 11 May 1812
Parish Redruth - St Uny
Place REDRUTH - ST UNY
Groom's first name(s) Richard
Groom's last name THOMAS
Bride's first name(s) Ann
Bride's last name RICHARDS
County Cornwall
Country England

could this be marriage after childs birth for Ramblings find
RICHARD
Last name THOMAS
Birth year -
Marriage year 1825
Marriage date 16 Jul 1825
Parish Redruth - St Uny
Place REDRUTH - ST UNY
Groom's first name(s) Richard
Groom's last name THOMAS
Bride's first name(s) Jane
Bride's last name RICHARDS
County Cornwall
Country England

these two but which one

Thomas Thomas
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
10 October 1818
CAMBORNE,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father:
Richard Thomas
Mother:
Ann

Thomas Thomas
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
21 April 1816
REDRUTH,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
Father:
Richard Thomas
Mother:
Jane

i am beginning to believe he was married twice thanks guys so many of them lol xx
:-)

Research repeated on Tracy's new thread about the same man:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1379875

no its not as that was for his son Argyl Gran <3