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Several trees have the with a Mary Ellen born Salford 1875

However she isn’t their daughter

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARLAN, MARY ELLEN ORMANDY
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 135


They obviously didn’t buy the cert,!

Just not picking them up on the 1881 census

Beatice Carlan
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1888
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1907
Marriage Place: West Gorton, St Mark, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Gorton, St Mark
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Father: James Sylvester Carlan
Spouse: Foster Hornby
Reference Number: GB127.M433/1/2/5
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Source Information
Ancestry.com. Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages an

Elizabeth
Last name Carlan
Sex Female
Age 24
Birth year 1878
Marital status Single
Year 1902
Date 27 Sep 1902
Place Gorton West, All Saints
Spouse's first name(s) Paul
Spouse's last name Duggan
Spouse's sex Male
Spouse's age 27
Spouse's birth year 1875
Spouse's marital status Single
Father's first name(s) James Sylvester
Father's last name Carlan
Spouse's father's first name(s) Joseph Henry
Spouse's father's last name Duggan
Town Manchester
County Lancashire
Country England
Register type Marriage
Record set England, Greater Manchester Marriages 1570-1936
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
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However this is noted on the censuse

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Mary J Ramsbottom rather than Mary J Carlon
Added an alternative name.
No birth records for Mary J Carlon/Carlan. John William Ramsbottom had a sister named Mary Jane who was born 1880
Submitted by: oharawayne on 06/04/2011

She has three sisters living with her

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Name: John W Ramsbottom
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Maria Ramsbottom
Birth Place: Gorton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
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Ecclesiastical parish: Gorton All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 092
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Piece: 3687
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Ramsbottom 23
Maria Ramsbottom 21
Harold Ramsbottom 1
Elizabeth Carlon 23
Mary J Carlon 21
Beatrice Carlon 12


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARLAN, BEATRICE PURCELL
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 264

Maybe getting the marriage cert would help with who she names as father

Maria Carlan
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Chorlton
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Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 1347
Records on Page:
Name
Maria Carlan
John William Ramsbottom


Ahh she names her father as James

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Name: Maria Carlan
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1880
Marriage Date: 30 Sep 1899
Marriage Place: West Gorton, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: All Saints, Gorton
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Father: James Carlan
Spouse: John William Ramsbottom
Reference Number: GB127.M434/1/2/2


James carlan deceased occ shoemaker

Ancestry suggests she is this one

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Name: Maria Helena Carlan
Age: 0
Birth Date: 1 Dec 1881
Baptism Date: 7 Jan 1882
Baptism Place: Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Father: Edwardi Carlan
Mother: Annae Lawde

Not picking up any birth though

Ah Maria was born 1881

1891 census
Marrie Castan
[Maria Carlan]
Gender: Female
Age: 10
Relationship: Visitor
Birth Year: 1881
Birth Place: Gordon, Lancashire, England
[Gorton, Lancashire, England]
Civil Parish: Coppenhall Monks
Residence Place: Crewe, Coppenhall Monks, Cheshire, England
Sub Registration District: Crewe
ED, Institution or Vessel: 11
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Piece: 2850
Folio: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parcell 31
Emma L Parcell 31
Florence E Parcell 5
Earnest J S Parcell 9/12
Marrie Castan 10
Barry Proctor 23
Harry Godfrey 24
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Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK (TNA); Kew, Surrey, England; Class: RG12; Piece: 2850; Folio: 65; Page: 26
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It’s Purcell family not Parcell

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CARLAN, ELIZABETH ANN PURCELL
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 800

No births for a Mary Ellen or Maria

Hi I have another family who have gone missing in 1881 I'm hoping another pair of eyes might help

James Sylvester Carlan Manchester1845-1891 married Elizabeth Purcell Cheshire in 1873 Nantwich Cheshire
they had James Sylvester 1874-1897 Chorlton Lancashire
Mary Ellen 1875
Elizabeth Ann 1877 Chorlton
Maria
Beatrice 1888 Manchester
I've got 1891 James in workhouse and Elizabeth with 2 children
Not sure if Mary Ellen and Maria are the same person so hoping the 1881 census would prove one way or the other
that's if we can find the 1881 census
Thank you