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A big thankyou to ErikaH and once again to Argyllgran.
A wealth of info to work through and loads more questions !

Thanks
Angus

I don't see where the tree owner gets the middle name Wyllie - no sign of that on any record, as far as I can see.

The tree's not totally accurate in any case - it shows a Thomas, born 1825 Scotland, living in Bishop Monkwearmouth in 1881, with sons William, Thomas and John - but I think, from other censuses, that he's a different Thomas, who had been married to a Mary Murray, and came from Wigtownshire.

EDIT:
Oh yes, there's this record:

Name: Jane Watson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1867
Birthplace: IRVINE,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Wyllie Watson
Mother's Name: Jane Boyd

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11595-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516


And this:

Elizabeth Watson
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Elizabeth Watson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 07 May 1865
Birthplace: IRVINE,AYR,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Wyllie Watson
Mother's Name: Jane Boyd


And other baptisms of the children - Agnes, Mary, Sarah.

Thomas Watson
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Thomas Watson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1863
Birth Place: Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Father: Thomas Watson
Mother: Jean Boyd
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Two births on SP - you need credits to view

WATSON
THOMAS
M
1859
595/ 275
Irvine

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WATSON
THOMAS
M
1863
595/ 63
Irvine

And a marriage

BOYD
JANE
THOMAS WATSON/FR1305 (FR1305)
24/09/1854
595/
40 343
Irvine

Possibly the birth of the Thomas Watson who married Allie Metzger - but you'd have to buy credits on SP to view the details (parents' names, etc):


WATSON
THOMAS
M
1863
595/ 63
Irvine

This MAY be an earlier birth/baptism of a child who died

Name: Thomas Watson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1859
Birth Place: Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Father: Thomas Watson
Mother: Jane Boyd

1861

Name: Jean Watson
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Irvine, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 595
Registration district: Irvine
Civil Parish: Irvine
County: Ayrshire
Address: Bridgegate St
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 174
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_85
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Watson 35
Jean Watson 26
John Watson 5
William Watson 3


1851

Name: Jean Boyd
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Daughter
Father: James Boyd
Mother: Mary Boyd
Gender: Female
Where born: Stevenston, Ayrshire
Parish Number: 615
Civil Parish: Stevenston
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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Town: Stevenston
County: Ayrshire
Address: Boglemart St Boyds Land
Occupation: Muslin Weaver
ED: 4
Page: 19
Household schedule number: 79
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_139
Household Members:
Name Age
James Boyd 44
Mary Boyd 42
Jean Boyd 17
John Boyd 15
Robert Boyd 11
Marrion Boyd 3
James Boyd 9

1871

Name: Thomas Watson
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Mother's name: Jennie Walson
Gender: Male
Where born: Irvine, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 595
Registration district: Irvine
Civil Parish: Irvine
County: Ayrshire
Address: Bridgegate Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 201
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_110
Household Members:
Name Age
Jennie Walson 37
John Walson 23
William Walson 13
Mary Watson 10
Thomas Watson 7
Elizabeth Watson 6
Jeannie Watson 4
Sarah Walson 2
Agnes Walson 4 Mo
William Halsturton 23
Maggie Reid 14

No record on SP, but there is this baptism (not on SP):

Thomas Watson
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Thomas Watson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 May 1825
Baptism Date: 22 May 1825
Baptism Place: Relief Congregation, Irvine, Ayr, Scotland
Father: James Watson
Mother: Helen Gilmour
FHL Film Number: 889478
Reference ID: 2:16843R3

From familysearch!

Name:
Thomas Watson
Spouse's Name:
Allie Metzger
Event Date:
29 May 1889
Event Place:
Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan
Father's Name:
Thomas Watson
Mother's Name:
Jearice Boyd **********Jeanie
Spouse's Father's Name:
Emanuel Metzger
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Samantha Grim


Name:
Thomas Watson
Event Type:
Census
Event Year:
1900
Event Place:
Precinct 2 Grand Rapids city Ward 2, Kent, Michigan, United States
Gender:
Male
Age:
37
Marital Status:
Married
Race:
White
Race:
W
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Years Married:
11
Birth Date:
Mar 1863
Birthplace:
Scotland
Marriage Year (Estimated):
1889
Father's Birthplace:
Scotland
Mother's Birthplace:
Scotland
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Watson Head Male 37 Scotland
Allie Watson Wife Female 33 Indiana
Jean M Watson Daughter Female 10 Michigan
Cora M Sawyer Boarder Female 28 Illinois

1910 census shows his immigration year to have been 1880

ScotlandsPeople doesn't show any children for James and Helen.

Nor does it show any Thomas Watson born 1825 anywhere in Ayrshire

For INFO only - from SP

Marriage
GILMOUR
HELEN
JAMES WATSON/FR664 (FR664)
30/01/1811
595/
30 108
Irvine

NO results on SP for the name Thomas WYLIE Watson

I have to go out this morning I will reply to any other response later today, Thanks

I have to go out this morning I will reply to any other response later today, Thanks

Hi Erica H,
Sorry for not posting enough info, Yes from the info on the said tree it appears he emigrated and subsequently married a Alfretta “Allie” Metzger.
I have tried family search, I believe that James is a relative of mine and that he married Helen Gilmour, I have doubts that Thomas Wylie Watson is the right link on the said tree.
Thanks for replying
Angus

Have you tried familysearch site?

Are we to assume that Thomas Watson is thought to have emigrated?

I am researching the Watson family name born in Irvine, Ayrshire.
There is a tree on Ancestry ,’SMITH TREE ‘ which lists a James Watson born 1788 who married a Helen Gilmour, it shows a son of the marriage as Thomas Wylie Watson b 3 rd May 1825 in Irvine Ayrshire who married a Boyd and resulted in a son Thomas Watson born 2nd March 1863 in Scotland,
I do not have a world wide subscription, so I was wondering if any one out there could have a look at the tree and any other which may have same info to see if there are any ,facts or sound basis for above line. I have tried messaging the tree owner but to date have not rec’d a reply.
Thanks
Angus Watson