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Of course we don't know if this is anything at all to do with Mary Wooding nee Gorvin!

Edward Gorvin
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Edward Gorvin
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Son
Father's name: Edward Gorvin
Mother's name: Mary Gorvin
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil Parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 3826
Folio: 46
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gorvin 38
Mary Gorvin 36
Francis Gorvin 10
Edward Gorvin 5
Agnes Gorvin 4
John James Gorvin 11/12
(and several boarders)

???

Edward Gorvin
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Edward Gorvin
Date of Registration: 1876
Registration district: Kilkenny, Ireland
Volume: 8
Page Number: 373
FHL Film Number: 101252
Records on Page:
Name
Jane Keenan
William Robert Moody
Edward Gorrin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Edward Gorvin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Frances Eliza Remnants
William Woolard
Mary Pendergast <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Alice Shea
Francis James Daly

Good finds ArgyllGran

This Edward was re-engaged in the army in Agra 1884, his marriage to Mary is noted in records, some doubt obv as to surname which shows as Pendergast crossed through and amended to Render...which may be Pender? They married 1876 in Kildare

British Army Service Records

First name(s) Edward
Last name Gorvin
Birth year 1855
Birth parish All Saints
Birth town Newcastle on Tyne
Birth county Northumberland
Birth country England
Service number 8241
Regiment Royal Artillery
Year 1873
Attestation date 31 Jan 1873
Attestation age years 18
Attestation service number 8241
Attestation corps Royal Artillery
Discharge corps Royal Artillery
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive
The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 2904
Box record number 128
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, England

father named as Edward.

Children Mary Ellen 29/8/1878
Samuel 30/11/1883 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Francis elizabeth 22/1/1887
Agnes 26/1/1885

He was in India from 23 Dec 1878 to 26 Jan 1888

I don't see Mary Ellen's birth in Dartford reg district, and can't see her in censuses before marriage.

Ancestry suggests this birth in Ireland:

Mary Ellen Gorvin
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Mary Ellen Gorvin
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1879
Birth Place: Kildare, Ireland
Father: Edward Gorvin
Mother: Mary Pender
FHL Film Number: 256034


But not the same DOB as in 1939.
Could be baptism date, rather than DOB.


EDIT

This is the same birth from irishgenealogy:


SR District/Reg Area - Naas
Birth of MARY GORVIN in 1879
Name MARY GORVIN
Date of Birth 1879
Group Registration ID 10859811
SR District/Reg Area Naas

28 Aug. 1879, Newbridge.
Father: Edward Gorvin, Gunner RA. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Mary Gorvin, formerly Pender.


According to Hart's Army Lists 1879, the 3rd Brigade RA was in Newbridge.

https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/104549282?mode=transcription


Edward Gorvin 4129 Gunner 1880 Royal Artillery
Edward Gorvin 7478 Gunner 1882 Royal Artillery

From www.forces-war-records.co.uk

Births of children - perhaps Edward in 1901 census is Ernest ?? [ EDIT: yes, showing as Edmund in 1911 ]:

WOODING, ALBERT mms GORVIN
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 588

WOODING, ERNEST EDMUND mms GORVIN
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 585

Mary Wooding
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary Wooding
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Albert Wooding
Birth Place: Longfield, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Longfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Longfield Hill
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Farningham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 710
Folio: 24
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Wooding 23
Mary Wooding 22
Edward Wooding 1



Mary E Wooding
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary E Wooding
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Jul 1965
[Aug 1965]
[Sep 1965]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5f
Page: 301

Just for ref, as I think there must be some connection somewhere

1911 Census For England & Wales
Longfield Hill Longfield Kent, Longfield, Kent, England

Albert Wooding Head Married Male 32 1879 Farm Labourer Ireland Resident
Mary Wooding Wife Married Female 32 1879 - Kent Ash
Edmund Wooding Son Single Male 11 1900 At School Kent Longfield
Albert Wooding Son Single Male 10 1901 At School Kent Longfield
Agnes Wooding Daughter Single Female 7 1904 At School Kent Longfield
Ena Wooding Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Kent Longfield

This is that Mary, I wonder if by chance she is Samuel's sister?

Mary Wooding's life in 1939
1 Uphill Cott Lfield Hill, Dartford R.D., Kent, England

Wooding household
(3 people)

Albert Wooding 1878 24 Mar 1878 Male Horseman On Farm Heavy Work Married 60 1
Mary Wooding 1878 05 Aug 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Married 60 2
Alfred J Wooding 1912 05 Jan 1912 Male Farm Labourer Heavy Work Single 60 3

Drat! different father...but I wonder why she was named on Samuel's service record??


Spouse's age 20
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
First name(s) Mary Ellen
Last name Garvin
Marriage year 1898
Birth year 1878
Marital status Sp
Spouse's first name(s) Albert
Spouse's last name Wooding
County Kent
Country England
Marriage place Southfleet, St Nicholas of Myra
Age 20
Residence Southfleet
Marriage year as transcribed 1898
Marriage date 24 Sep 1898
Church St Nicholas of Myra
Spouse's marital status Ba
Spouse's occupation Labourer
Spouse's residence Southfleet
Father's name(s) Edward Garvin <<<
Father's occupation Deceased
Spouse's father's name(s) Thomas Wooding
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
By banns or licence -
Witness 1 Edward Peacock
Witness 2 Alice Wooding
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Oh hold on just noticed something there is a marriage for

First name(s) MARY ELLEN
Last name GORVIN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

MARY ELLEN GORVIN married one of these people

Albert Wooding

District Dartford
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Volume as transcribed 2A
Page number 1029


On one of the service records for Samuel it gives mention of C/o Mrs Wooding , Longfield Hill , I think regarding payment of pension, though it is later crossed through,

I wonder if this is mother Mary's death? it is a different spelling of name, but gives an idea of birth year.


First name(s) MARY A
Last name GORVIN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1851
Age 86
Death quarter 3
Death year 1937
District Dartford
County Kent
Volume 2A
Page 757
Country England



Mary Ann Gorvin
BIRTH 1851
DEATH 31 Jul 1937 (aged 85–86)
BURIAL
Erith Cemetery
Erith, London Borough of Bexley, Greater London, England
PLOT E.154
MEMORIAL ID 196490873 · View Source

Nothing showing in British India Office Births & Baptisms ( on FMP) for name variants unfortunately.

Where would I find a birth certificate being Samuel was born in India in 1883.
Would he be listed as a British Subject.
really have come up against a brick wall.

Maybe at the national archives Kew

That’s where i found my grandfather and his brothers army record when they joined up in the late 1890,s and served in the second Boar War

Try the national archives website

How can I find the Military records of the father of Samuel b 1883 India. Would the family be recorded on a passenger boat returning from India or are the military crossings kept secret.

How can I find the Military records of the father of Samuel b 1883 India. Would the family be recorded on a passenger boat returning from India or are the military crossings kept secret.

Just spotted on a post on here , that in 1911 Samuel Gorvan was living in Cobham Kent , His eldest daughter was born in Deptford April 1911 so his wife Rose must have gone home to her parents for the delivery. That confirms to me why I couldn't find Rose in Cobham in 1911. Thanks.

Catherine ,looks like on the 1911, census that is their daughter Rose Lillian nee Brigden married to Samuel Gorvan.

also relevant:-

Name: Samuel Gorvan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1880
Marriage Date: 15 May 1910
Marriage Place: Deptford
Age: 37
Document Year: 1917
Residence Place: 2 Hale Cottage, Darland Chatham
Regimental Number: 367169
Regiment Name: R F Arttillery
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 3
Other Records: Search for 'Samuel Gorvan' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Samuel Gorvan Self (Head)
Rose Lily Bridgen Spouse
Rose Lilian Gorvan Child
Mary Ann Gorvan Child
Florence Ethel Gorvan Child
Samuel Frederick Gorvan Child
Agnes Louisa Gorvan Child


1911
Name: Rosa Jorvin
[Rosa Gorvan]
[Rosa Brigden]
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: DEPTFORD, England
Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Search Photos: Search for 'Deptford St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 17 Watergate St, Deptford S E
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: FLOWER SELLER
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Deptford North
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 2596
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Brigden 60
Ann Brigden 60
Rosa Jorvin 22

Also has his marriage and children on same service record to confirm.

On the service records it gives mother Mary living at Asbestos( ?) cottage Hartley nr Fawkham kent ( "no brothers")