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HANCOX, GEORGE THOMAS mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 586

I don't see this child later, either alive or dead..

George R Hancox
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George R Hancox
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary E Hancox
Birth Place: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Piece: 3452
Folio: 66
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
George R Hancox 47
Mary E Hancox 39
George H Hancox 7
Alfred E Hancox 5
William J Hancox 3
Joseph Schofield Williams 12 - stepson


HANCOX, WILLIAM JAMES mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 485


HANCOX, ALFRED EDGAR mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 501

Just for the record - probably Mary Elizabeth's death. (Don't think posted already):

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Hancox Mary E 49 W.Derby 8b 421

A tree on Ancestry claims that George Robert HANCOCK and Mary Elizabeth Williams had a daughter Lily , Liverpool 1907. They don't offer any proof.


I expect this is the birth they mean - so it may perhaps be right, but you'd need the birth cert to check :


HANCOX, LILY mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 282


I don't see her in 1911, so far. (EDIT: Yes, see later post - 23 Aug, 10:07)

I'll try again using your details exactly
Thank you

Did Did George Robert Hancox and Mary Elizabeth Williams have any other children?

Who did His deceased father of the same name George Robert Hancox marry?

I don't know how far i can take it back to find the irish connection?

Just putting this here while I look around a bit

VERNON, GEORGE HENRY m Mary Ellen MORGAN
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 175

Did I see this address somewhere on the thread ?

death of a child born to Vernon /Morgan
George Henry
Vernon
Age 1M
Birth year 1895
Grave Purchase Year 1895
Grave Purchase Date 10 Aug 1895
Death year -
Burial year -
Burial place Walton Park
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 1St Gorming ST

That's possibly this one on 1911 106 South Chester St Upper Warwick St Liverpool S, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England


George Henry Vernon Boarder Widower Male 52 1859 Barge Captain Lancs Toxteth Park L Pool


OK looked and don't think he's connected,

Just referring back to the name "Jack" in the OP

do you think this could be a mix up with John Edgar Vernon, who I see is reg as Jack on his death,
JACK EDGAR
Last name VERNON
Gender Male
Birth day 2
Birth month 8
Birth year 1921
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2006
District Exeter
District number 4081A
Register number A74F
Entry number 059
Date of registration mm/yy 0206

Or Perhaps somewhere further back there was a John Vernon who came from Ireland and that's where that part of the story comes in?

On the other hand John Edgar might well have been named for his mother's father Jphn

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
62, County Road, Liverpool, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England

John Gee Head Married Male 46 1855 Machine Driller Cheshire, England
Martha Gee Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Winton, Lancashire, England
Francis E Gee Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Bootshop Asst Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth F Gee Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Bootshop Asst -
Walter J Gee Son Single Male 13 1888 Scholar Lancashire, England
Mary G Gee Daughter Single Female 12 1889 Scholar Lancashire, England
Charles Edgar Gee Son Single Male 11 1890 Scholar -
Furness G Gee Son Single Male 8 1893 Scholar -
Annie B Gee Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - -
Albert Lees Boarder Single Male 19 1882 Sailor Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Northcote Road, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Lacey Head Widow Female 62 1829 - Flintshire, Wales
Arthur Lacey Son Single Male 18 1873 Railway Porter Lancashire, England
George Hancox Boarder Widower Male 37 1854 General Labourer Shropshire, England

Original shows George b Shrewsbury

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HANCOCKS, GEORGE ROBERT CURETON
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in SHREWSBURY Volume 06A Page 609

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EDIT - could be this man in 1881 - shows him as unmarried in the Workhouse - ?possible marital status incorrect

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
West Derby Workhouse, Rice Lane, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire,

First name(s) George
Last name Hancock
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Age 27
Birth year 1854
Birth town Shrewsbury
Birth town as transcribed SHREWSBURY
Birth county Shropshire
Birth county as transcribed SHROPSHIRE
Birth place England
Occupation Dock Laborer
House name West Derby Workhouse
Street Rice Lane
Town -
Parish Walton on the Hill
County Lancashire
Country England
Registration district West Derby
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3694
Folio 63
Page 32

Not sure if this has been posted but the son bn 1919

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Vernon Robert H Gee W. Derby 8b 1104

His marriage appears on FMP, 1942 father given as George Vernon ( Chef) and the witness is his brother John Edgar Vernon.

Possible first marriage. If he was 37 in 1892 that would have made him born c1855 so possible - but with surname spelt differently?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
Hancocks George Robert W.Derby 8b 646 <<<<<<<<<
McGHIE Kate W. Derby 8b 646
MOORCROFT Ellen W. Derby 8b 646 <<<<<<<<<
Slater James W. Derby 8b 646

There is a James and Kate Slater on 1881 census in West Derby with 1 year old twins mmn McGhie so the other couple would be <<<<<<<

You ask "why the double barrelled name" Are you referring to the MCert?

Is it a double barrelled name or is it just his initials - the marriage reg. shows George HH Vernon, not George Henry Hancock-Vernon.

Does the marriage cert. show it differently?

Marriages Dec 1918
Gee Annie B Vernon W.Derby 8b 961
Vernon George H H Gee W.Derby 8b 96

I'll try again using your details exactly
Thank you

Did Did George Robert Hancox and Mary Elizabeth Williams have any other children?

Who did His deceased father of the same name George Robert Hancox marry?

I don't know how far i can take it back to find the irish connection?

PM from Karen
Hi there I have been told by records office that there is no birth certificate for Peter Theodore Vernon 1st April 1930 , I have tried looking on the free BMD as you suggested but I cannot find him either
Please advise :)

The volume and page would be great
Thanks
Karen

My reply -
This is the freebmd entry. It does not say Peter Theodore Vernon only Peter T, so the records office may be correct if the T doesn't stand for Theodore and / or the birth date doesn't fit.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1930 (>99%)
Vernon Peter T Gee W.Derby 8b 706

and this would be for a Walter Vernon mmn Gee

Births Sep 1925 (>99%)
Vernon Walter F Gee W.Derby 8b 690

Karen is this the cert you ordered?

Births Jun 1930
Vernon Peter T Gee W.Derby 8b 706

Did you just give these details or did you specify parents' names and Peter's date of birth? If so the GRO would only send a cert of it matched those details exactly.

Well that's Interesting Peter Theodore Vernon born 1st April 1930 has no birth certificate.

DID ANYONE FIND A BIRTH RECORD FOR PETER THEODORE VERNON 1ST APRIL 1930 LIVERPOOL?

See note from : The General Register Office ([email protected])
Dear Sir Or Madam,

Thank you for your order as detailed below.

Birth Certificate: PETER VERNON born 01-APR-1930 in LIVERPOOL

We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.

We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales during the years specified (1929-1931). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided.

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Peter Theodore Vernon believed parents marriage certificate states

WHY THE DOUBLE BARRELLED NAME?
George Henry Hancock Vernon Married Annie Beatrice Gee W.Derby 8b 961
5th December 1918 District of West Derby
George Henry Hancock Vernon 24 years old - Bachelor - Baker Merchant Service - Address 280 Westminster Road, Kirkdale- Father George Vernon deceased - Blacksmith

Annie Beatrice Gee - 22 years - Spinster - Address 280 Westminster Road, Kirkdale- Father - John Gee - Dock Labourer

George Henry Hancock's believed parent's marriage
Marriages Jun 1892
Hancox George Robert W. Derby 8b 745
WILLIAMS Mary Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 745

George Robert
Last name Hancox
Aged 37 - Widower- WHO WAS HIS FIRST WIFE ? DID SHE DIE ? - Labourer
Address 34 Paley Street
Marriage year 1892
Marriage date 27 Apr 1892
Marriage place Walton on the Hill
Father's first name(s) George Robert
Father's last name Hancox (Deceased)
Spouse's first name(s) Mary Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Williams
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Williams (Deceased)
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

I'll let you know when the certificates turn up ?

Vernon. George
in the Liverpool, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1970
Name: Vernon. George
Residence Year: 1960
Street address: Pelham Grove 3
Residence Place: Lancashire, England

There's a Margaret Vernon listed with him.

So probably not your George.

There were several marriages of men named George Vernon to women named Margaret, in Lancashire.

EDIT:

That George and Margaret are at that address from at least 1945, and in 1945 there's also a Harry Vernon with them.
In 1955, Harry is at no 3 Pelham Grove, with an Elizabeth. I think they married in 1948.
By 1960 Harry and Elizabeth are at no 18 Pelham Grove

There's a probate record for the George Vernon who died in Jan 1962, home address 3 Pelham Grove Liverpool. admin to Lloyds bank

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

See my last post for a possible death - though it could be some other George Vernon.

You'd have to buy the cert to find out - if you think it's worth the gamble!

we can't find a death for him in the UK ?