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16 Jul 2019 12:07 |
Hmmm - the same tree says that the son William was his son with Annie Robertson, and was born 1889 in Glasgow.
And indeed, that Wiliam is on the 1891 and 1901 censuses posted on page 2.
The tree doesn't mention a later son William with Georgina.
Does it seem likely that a married "inspector in cleansing dept" living in Glasgow (per 1901) , and still in Glasgow in 1930, would be a farm labourer fathering a child in Kinneff area in 1913?
I'll try to find him in 1911.
His wife Annie died 1908.
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16 Jul 2019 12:02 |
That is definitely Robert Bain Stewart's death in 1930 - I've had a look at the death cert;
Robert Bain Stewart, labourer Electricity Department, widower of Annie Robertson. I March 1930, 5pm, at Royal Infirmary, Glasgow. Home address: 40 Polmadie Road. Age 66 years. Parents: John Stewart, farm servant, deceased, and Susan Stewart, ms Bain, deceased. Cause of death: cystitis, "to my knowledge 14 days", toxaemia. Certified by Wm B Adam, MBChB. Informant: Wm Stewart, son, 12 Pirie [ ?? Pine ? ] Street, Glasgow.
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16 Jul 2019 11:30 |
No problem, Ellen - it's been a very interesting search!
The address does seem a compelling argument.
He would have been 51 in 1914, though.
CWGC website doesn't show any deaths for any Robert Stewart of a compatible age, so he must be one of the ones listed without an age at death.
Does Tania have any paperwork re Robert's war service - an army number or similar detail?
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Well, maybe not. Robert Bain Stewart, born 27 Aug 1863, son of John Stewart and Susan Bain, appears to have died in 1930, as per the death record previously posted on page 2.
Copied again here:
STEWART ROBERT BAIN 66 1930 644/4 381 Dennistoun
A tree on Ancestry says he died 1 March 1930 in Glasgow. The tree says this is his probate - they show the image of the probate record - though unless they know he lived at this address, the record doesn't identify him with any certainty from our point of view.
Stewart, Robert, labourer, 40 Polmadie Road, Glasgow, died 1 March 1930 at Glasgow, testate. Confirmation Glasgow, 23 April, to Ernest Marshall Love CA, Glasgow, and Dr Gilchrist, 114 Main Street, Gorbals there, Executors. Will dated 25 February, recorded Glasgow 16 April 1930. Value of estate: £225 19s 11d.
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Ellen
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16 Jul 2019 02:42 |
I have been searching for a colleage (Tania) who tells me that Robert Stewart died in WW1 her half uncle William Stewart s/o Robert Stewart received a Pension from the British Army as his next of Kin. Tania thinks the most likely one is Robert Stewart who lived at Mill of Barrass Sorry to tell you after all of your hard work
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Ellen
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15 Jul 2019 09:55 |
Thank you wonderful people for helping me in this search, I am very grateful to you all It looks like Robert Falconer was born abt 1883 to John Falconer & Mary Ann Stewart (sometimes known as Robert Stewart) Robert Stewart married a Rose King 24th August 1915 at Birmingham. Many thankyou's
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jul 2019 11:56 |
I'd forgotten you'd posted that 1911, Dea - a satisfying find!
Yes, Ellen, it seems he took his mother's name as an alias. Went back to Falconer while in the army ( maybe forced to), then probably went back to Stewart when he deserted in 1919. Was still Stewart in 1939.
Possibly Rose's death?
Rose Stewart in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Rose Stewart Death Age: 56 Birth Date: abt 1889 Registration Date: Oct 1945 [Nov 1945] [Dec 1945] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 502
I don't see a particularly likely death for Robert, but there are lots of deaths of men named Robert Stewart or Robert Falconer, all over the place, of about the right age.
It would be interesting to know what father's name is on his marriage cert in 1915.
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14 Jul 2019 08:25 |
'Our' man is definitely the one travelling with his boxing pavilion and boarding in Northumberland on 1911 (posted above).
These newspaper articles are of interest:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/97922833
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/97922841
Mind you, none of this is actually proof that he is the father of William but it does show that he would be a very good fit for the role !!
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14 Jul 2019 02:25 |
So it looks like he took his mothers maiden name Stewart?
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2019 22:55 |
Hmmm! Well, I've looked at Robert Falconer in Fetteresso in 1911 - and it doesn't seem to be him.
That one is a law agent, born in Stonehaven. He's living with his aunt Helen Thomson, 63, widow, private means, born Stonehaven.
Bother!
There are a number of other Robert Falconers in various places in Scotland in 1911, but I'm not looking at them all!
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13 Jul 2019 22:42 |
So at some point between 1910 and 1915 he decided to call himself Stewart. Maybe because of problems with the police?
If that's him in Fetteresso in 1911, he's still Falconer then.
The name change and timing would fit nicely with William's birth cert - though it's still circumstantial.
Possibly his mother still in Kirkcaldy in 1911 - though her age is a couple of years out:
FALCONER MARY ANN 1911 F 69 442/ 25/ 12 Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Fife
Possibly the deaths of John and Alexander:
FALCONER ALEXANDER 25 1901 442/ 225 Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
FALCONER JOHN 69 1909 442/ 46 Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
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13 Jul 2019 20:56 |
Yes, he is the one posted earlier by AG + Maddie :
Robert Falconer in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Robert Falconer Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Falconer Mother's name: Mary Falconer Gender: Male Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 442 Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Town: Kirkcaldy County: Fife Address: 10 Glebe Park St Occupation: General Labourer ED: 26 Household schedule number: 26 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_142 Household Members: Name Age John Falconer 62 Mary Falconer 61 Alexander Falconer 25 Robert Falconer 18
This newspaper snippet confirms:
KIRKCALDY SCENE. PUGILIST MAULS A COMMERCIAL. Sequel in Court. Robert Falconer, champion professional boxer, Glebe Park, appeared before Bailie at Kirkcaldy Police Court to-day, and denied that, on 12th February, within icecream shop High Street, assaulted........................... 25 February 1910 - Dundee Evening Telegraph - Dundee, Angus, Scotla
Note the address of 'Glebe Park' on both the article and the census !
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13 Jul 2019 20:41 |
OOOer !! - Just read back through the last page and it seems that this 'may' be the right one after all.
The one already posted as being the son of John + Mary A (nee Stewart) was born in Laurencekirk but actually lived in Kirkcaldy on 1901 which is where the 1911 one says he is from. - He just seems to have lost a couple of years off his age ?
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13 Jul 2019 20:26 |
Just to confuse things further, here is a Robert Falconer who was a professional boxer (pugilist) - I don't really think he is the correct one but I will post it for reference, just in case.: 1911 Census For England & Wales 21 South Station Road Hirst Ashington Northumberland, Ashington, Northumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Esther Moffatt Head Widow Female 69 1842 Domestic Duties Quarry Hill Cumberland James Moffatt Son Single Male 30 1881 Insurance Agent Moor Row Egremont Cumberld Florence J Nutter Daughter Married Female 42 1869 Domestic Duties Egremont Cumberld Robert Yorke In Boarder Apartments Married Male 45 1866 Coal Hewer Shilbottle Northmld Margaret Yorke In Boarder Apartments Married Female 45 1866 Domestic Duties Rothbury Northmld John Howe Boarder Widower Male 58 1853 Carter - Samuel Woods Boarder Widower Male 56 1855 Bricklayer South Shields Durham Robert Falconer Boarder Single Male 24 1887 Professional Pugilist Kirkcaldy Scotland (Travelling Boxing Pavilion) Joseph Armstrong Boarder Single Male 26 1885 Professional Pugilist Newcastle Northmld (also - was travelling with them but left on 2nd April - a James Carpenter aged 22 - also prof. pugilist (boxer) from Newcastle.
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13 Jul 2019 16:55 |
Marriage of Robert Falconer's parents :
FALCONER JOHN STEWART <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MARY ANN 1866 254/ 5 Bervie or Inverbervie
The Falconer family in 1881, before Robert's birth:
John Falconer in the 1881 Scotland Census Name: John Falconer Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Falconer Mother's name: Mary Ann Stewart <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 263 Registration district: Laurencekirk Civil Parish: Laurencekirk County: Kincardineshire Address: 21 Occupation: Scholar ED: 2 Household schedule number: 5 Line: 15 Roll: cssct1881_73 Household Members: Name Age John Falconer 42 Mary Ann Stewart 41 David Falconer 14 Margaret Falconer 12 Helen Falconer 10 John Falconer 8 Alexander Falconer 5 William Falconer 2 Stewart Falconer 5 Mths
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13 Jul 2019 16:34 |
If that's him - forget my earlier idea that he might have stolen the name of Robert Stewart of Blackburn Road - he wasn't in Darwen in 1911, let alone 1901.
Is it possible he told Georgina his name was Stewart , so that he couldn't be traced in the event of an unwanted child???
As he was tried in 1916 for "fraudulent enlistment" - maybe that means he'd joined up as Stewart, and then they'd found out his name was really Falconer ??
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Maddie
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13 Jul 2019 16:33 |
1901
Name: Robert Falconer Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Falconer Mother's name: Mary Falconer Gender: Male Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 442 Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Town: Kirkcaldy County: Fife Address: 10 Glebe Park St Occupation: General Labourer ED: 26 Household schedule number: 26 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_142 Household Members: Name Age John Falconer 62 Mary Falconer 61 Alexander Falconer 25 Robert Falconer 18
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13 Jul 2019 16:32 |
1911 ????
FALCONER ROBERT 1911 M 27 258/1 3/ 12 Fetteresso Kincardine
No other Falconers in that household.
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13 Jul 2019 16:29 |
Robert Falconer in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Robert Falconer Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Falconer Mother's name: Mary Ann Falconer Gender: Male Where born: Laurancekirk, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 442 Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall County: Fife Address: 13 Victoria Rd Occupation: Scholar ED: 16 Household schedule number: 5 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1891_135 Household Members: Name Age John Falconer 53 Mary Ann Falconer 50 John Falconer 17 Alexander Falconer 14 William Falconer 12 Stewart Falconer 10 Robert Falconer 8
Robert Falconer in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Robert Falconer Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relationship: Son Father's name: John Falconer Mother's name: Mary Falconer Gender: Male Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 442 Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Civil Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall Town: Kirkcaldy County: Fife Address: 10 Glebe Park St Occupation: General Labourer ED: 26 Household schedule number: 26 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1901_142 Household Members: Name Age John Falconer 62 Mary Falconer 61 Alexander Falconer 25 Robert Falconer 18
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13 Jul 2019 16:25 |
Re Robert Stewart, 17602 Cameron Highlanders - the address he gives on joining in 1915 is 86 Blackburn Road.
He's not there in 1911 - a family called Farnworth are at that address.
I just wondered if Stewart wasn't his real name. In 1901 there's a Robert Stewart at 69-71 Blackburn Road - not our man, but I wondered if maybe he'd borrowed this Robert's name:
Robert Stewart in the 1901 England Census Name: Robert Stewart Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Elizth T Stewart Birth Place: Scotland Civil Parish: Darwen Ecclesiastical parish: Over Darwen St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 69-71 Blackburn Registration district: Blackburn Sub-registration district: Darwen ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Neighbors: Piece: 3920 Folio: 96 Page Number: 37 Household schedule number: 262 Household Members: Name Age Robert Stewart 27 - physician and surgeon Elizth T Stewart 27 Elizth Ballantyne 22
That Robert was born in Hamilton, Lanarkshire, per 1911 census.
>>>>>>EDIT: Ignore the first part of this post, above this point. But I think this is correct from here on <<<<<<<<<<
Perhaps "our" Robert actually was Falconer ?
Birth:
FALCONER ROBERT M 1883 263/ 4 Laurencekirk
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13 Jul 2019 16:19 |
???????????? 1891 Name: Robert Stewart Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relationship: Son Father's name: James Stewart ---- Laurencekirk, Kincardinesh: s tailor Mother's name: Helen Stewart Gender: Male Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardinesh Registration Number: 275 Registration district: Brechin Civil Parish: Brechin Town: Brechin County: Angus Address: 25 Crocketts Bld Occupation: Scholar ED: 9 Household schedule number: 187 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1891_84 Household Members: Name Age James Stewart 44 Helen Stewart 45 Helen Stewart 21 Margaret Stewart 15 William Stewart 13 Robert Stewart 11 Charles Stewart 9 Fraser Stewart 6 Joan Stewart 5 John Stewart 2 Alexander Stewart 11 M
Name: James Stewart Gender: Male Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1867 Marriage Place: Laurencekirk,Kincardine,Scotland Spouse: Helen Eaton
1851 Name: James Stewart Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relationship: Son Father: John Stewart Mother: Margaret Stewart Gender: Male Where born: Lau Kirk, Kincardine Parish Number: 263 Civil Parish: Laurencekirk Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Laurencekirk County: Kincardineshire Address: High St Occupation: Scholar ED: 1 Page: 15 Household schedule number: 72 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1851_55 Household Members: Name Age John Stewart 29 Margaret Stewart 26 John Stewart 5 James Stewart 4 William Stewart 2 Margaret Stewart 5 Mo
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