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Sylvia, that's why it rang a bell as I'd have thought the same if I'd not seen it already for the marriage. :-)

oops ..............

I assumed Alexandria was female!

Just for ref though it doesn't help with query as to father

1939 reg

Robinson household
The Cottage Hill Court, Sevenoaks R.D., Kent, England

Alexandria K (**H on image) Robinson 26 May 1916 Male Domestic Gardener Married 78 1
Margaret Robinson 08 Nov 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 78 2
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Although the transcript gives 3 closed records, there is only one on image, daughter born 1939 ( mmn is given as Cresswell see other thread re why that is).

Couldn't see a service record ( on FMP) to help, but maybe someone with Anc' could also look .

Sylvia, Alexandria is male, and is connected to this thread ( which is about his wife's family)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1378244?d=asc

Marriages Jun 1938 (>99%)

Castle Ethel M M Robinson Surrey Mid E. 2a 839
Cresswell Margaret Robinson Surrey Mid.E. 2a 839
Robinson Alexandria H Castle Surrey Mid.E. 2a 839
Robinson Alexandria H Cresswell Surrey Mid.E. 2a 839

However, the certificate may not tell you definitively what you want to know.

A woman who is not married may only add the father's name to the certificate if he gives permission, either by being present at the time of registration or by letter.

So you may find no name at all ......... which is still not proof as to whether Thomas was or was not the father.


Maybe your next step after that might be to find out if Thomas was serving in WW1, and if his record is available to see if he could have been around approximately 9-10 months prior to Alexandria's birth ............ remembering that a mother has 6 weeks in which to register a birth.

The snag here of course is that only about 30% of WW1 records are still in existence for servicemen.


The other hint might be in Alexandria's second name ............. where does Harry come from???

It is an unusual name for a female, so was it a surname from her mother's family, or is it a hint as to the father.

1932 is a re-registration, Maddie.

There's no annotation beside the original entry on the Index as Dew:

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Dew Alexandria H Dew Barnet 3a 752

There is also no annotation on the Index image for the 1932 entry:

Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
Robinson Alexandria H Dew Barnet 3a 762

But there's a note on FreeBMD saying,
"The above transcription represents what is in the GRO index but it is referred to by the following entry
Births 1916 Sep: Robinson,Alexandria H,Dear,Barnet,3a,See D32

That refers to this entry, with mms transcribed as Dear:

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Robinson Alexandria H Dear Barnet 3a See D32

That entry is not in the typed list n the Index, but has been added by hand, first with
mms Dew, but no volume number.
Then that whole entry has been scored out, and rewritten , this time with the volume number included.
However, the handwritten mms Dew looks very like Dear, and has been transcribed as Dear on FreeBMD.


You say that Ancestry says the page is n longer available - but here it is on Ancestry (already posted by Maddie):

Alexandria H Dew
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alexandria H Dew
Registration Date: Jul 1916
[Aug 1916]
[Sep 1916]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Greater London
Mother's Maiden Name: Dew
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 732


Alexandria H Robinson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alexandria H Robinson
Registration Date: Jul 1916
[Aug 1916]
[Sep 1916]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Greater London
Mother's Maiden Name: Dew
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: D'32


But yes, you do need to buy the cert to find out the father's name, Michael.

Just a point re the GR transcript saying gender "unknown", looking at a couple of examples that seems to be the default when the name is not clearly male or female, eg other Alexandrias are also "unknown" gender, as is Leslie.

so was the 1932 a re-registration of his birth or is it a dirrerent person ?

All the information posted is correct. Eliza was his mother and Lydia Sharman his grandmother, but I need proof or non proof of who is biological father was - it would appear that there is the possibility that it was not Thomas Henry. Alexandria (named after the famous battle of) was born in 1916 Thomas and Eliza married in 1920 and went on to have 5 girls.

It's unlikely that the father's name will be on the certificate for Alexandria, but the only way to be sure is to buy it as the image does not appear to be online..

found this as well

ALEXANDRIA H
Last name ROBINSON
Birth year 1932 ------------
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Dew
District Barnet
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 762
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

Doris Joan b 05. April 1921 died sometime in the 2000s. She was married to a NZ Service Man of Danish descent, namely Halvor or Alver Pedersen. Settled in Palmerston North, NZ and had 5 children - 3 boys and two girls. She was always known as Bubs in the family. Alex had 5 sisters and I think she was the eldest. Only one of those is still alive and is in her 80s. Come back if you need anything else.

Alexandria Harry Robinson in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Alexandria Harry Robinson
Year: 1937
County or Borough: Wood Green
Ward or Division/Constituency: Southgate North
Res: 4 Addison Avenue

Also on the page is.....

Thomas Henry Robinson
Eliza Robinson

Was his mother Eliza Dew?

I wonder about this marriage........

??

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Dew Eliza Robinson Barnet 3a 1071
Robinson Thomas H Dew Barnet 3a 1071

there is this birth as well

DORIS J
Last name ROBINSON
Birth year 1921
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Dew
District Barnet
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 813

1939
4 Addison Avenue, Southgate M.B., Middlesex, England
Thomas H Robinson 07 May 1895 Male Council Employee Dustman Heavy Married 3 1
Eliza Robinson 30 Nov 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 3 2
Doris J Robinson 05 Apr 1921 Female Cashier Provision Ship Single 3 3
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

father
1911

Thomas Robinson Head Married Male 38 1873 Hydraulic Engineman Swayfield Lincolnshire
Lydia Robinson Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Woodbridge Suffolk
Ellen May Robinson Daughter Single Female 17 1894 General Servant Domestic New Southgate London N
Thomas Henry Robinson Son Single Male 15 1896 Butchers Shop Assistant New Southgate London N
Annie Georgina Robinson Daughter Single Female 7 1904 School New Southgate London N
Frederick John Robinson Son Single Male 5 1906 School New Southgate London N
William George Robinson Son Single Male 4 1907 - New Southgate London N12, Southgate, Middlesex, England

married after alexandria was born

THOMAS H
Last name ROBINSON
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1920
Registration month -

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THOMAS H ROBINSON married one of these people

Eliza Dew
Spouse's last name Dew
District Barnet
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Volume as transcribed 3A
Page number 1071

ALEXANDRIA H
Last name ROBINSON
Birth year 1916
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Dew
District Barnet
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Page SEE D'32

ALEXANDRIA HARRY
Last name ROBINSON
Gender Male
Birth day 29
Birth month 5
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1989
District Bournemouth
Register number 1089
County Dorset
Volume 23
Page 379

Born 29. May !916 in Barnet, London
On the transcript on GR it states sex unknown! On Ancestry it states that the page is no longer available. Has anyone any ideas of how to find out if the column for name of father contains anything without having to order the original certificate.
Sometime in 1932 he adopted the name Robinson as per transcript of the entry: the original type written entry has been changed by hand.