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Thanks Sylvia ... it does all seem to fit now.

Thanks also to Argyllgran ... I hadn’t even looked at the 1939 register.

Yvonne ............ I would say that the death certificate means that he died in the Infirmary wing not the Workhouse itself, and that he had gone there for whatever treatment was available back then.

In most cases, a death in the workhouse itself is more likely to be registered by the Master or another "official" of the Workhouse, not a relative.

Martha Johnson
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Martha Johnson
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1885
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 54 Bishop Rd
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 292
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: NOAK
Registration district: 456 a/1
Inferred Spouse: Edward Johnson
Inferred Children: Edith R Johnson
Household Members:
Name
Edward Johnson
Martha Johnson
Edith R Johnson - xx xx 1921 [ date not posted, in case still living ]
This record is officially closed.
John Pouncey - 28 Aug 1858, widower. [ Pountney on image ]

I think I've found the M. Johnson on the death certificate. She is the daughter of John Pountney and Rachel Naylor. Rachel is the sister of Thomas Cole Naylor. In the 1911 census Martha is shown as single and living with her parents, at The Poplars, Greenfield Road, St. Helens. She married Edward Johnson in 1912.

I think this confirms that the Thomas Naylor who died in 1915 is my Thomas Cole Naylor, don't you?

Thanks Sylvia. Reading the death certificate it says he died in Union Workhouse but it gives, Thomas Naylor of The Poplars, Greenfield Road, St. Helens, and that is also the address given for M. Johnson.
The cause of death says: Aortic Regurgitation and Angina Pectoris, certified by G. Egerton Green. Doesn't say how long he'd had it but I wonder if he was in and out of the infirmary/workhouse and living with his niece inbetween.

Thanks also Dea, I will follow up that and see what I can find.

Can't stay but these might be worth following for an 'M Johnson' ?

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
JOHNSON James Prescot 8b 1302 Scan available - click to view
NAYLOR Mary Ellen Prescot 8b 1302 Scan available - click to view



1911 Census For England & Wales
180 Vincent Street St Helens, St Helens, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Johnson Head Married Male 34 1877 Glass Loader St Helens Lancashire
Mary Ellen Johnson Wife Married Female 33 1878 - St Helens Lancashire
William Johnson Son - Male 2 1909 - St Helens Lancashire
Robert Johnson Father Widower Male 64 1847 Gardener Domestuic St Helens Lancashire


JOHNSON, WILLIAM NAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 791

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Dea x

Don't forget that workhouses also had an "infirmary wing", and this was often the only place where people could get hospital care. Many women had their children in the workhouse infirmary because they needed extra care.

Being in the infirmary wing does not always mean that the person was actually in the workhouse, despite what the census implies.

Does the death certificate say the cause of death for TN, and more importantly, how long he'd had it? Is there a name for a doctor or certification of the cause of death?

I got the death certificate for Thomas Naylor that Shirley mentioned above. It shows he died in 1915 at the Union Workhouse, Whiston. The person who registered the death was M. Johnson, niece. I'm trying to find whether it's the right Thomas by working out the connection of M. Johnson, but having difficulty.
Everything seems to fit - 1911 census says he was in an asylum/workhouse and death cert says he died in a workhouse, says he was a glass labourer.
Any suggestions?

Thanks Maddie. I couldn't find him at all in the 1901 census.

Baptism: 31 Aug 1843 St Mary (now St Helen), St Helens, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cole Naylor - Son of Joseph Naylor & Anne
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Plate Glass Maker
Baptised by: J. B. Meredith
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1845 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [86], Entry 682
Source: LDS Film 1469036

Marriage: 10 Apr 1870 Christ Church, Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Thomas Cole Naylor - Full age, Glassmaker, Bachelor, Eccleston
Ann Anders - Full age, Spinster, Eccleston
Groom's Father: Joseph Naylor, Glassmaker
Bride's Father: Peter Anders, Collier
Witness: Lawrence Chorley; Sarah Chorley
Married by Banns by: R. P. Crockett
Register: Marriages 1868 - 1873, Page 81, Entry 162
Source: LDS Film 1657567

fmp version
1911 Census For England & Wales

Whiston Near Prescot, Whiston, Lancashire, England
Thomas
Last name Naylor
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widr
Sex Male
Age 68
Birth year 1843
Birth place Lancs St Helens
Occupation Glass Blower
House name -
House number -
Street Whiston Near Prescot
Address Whiston Near Prescot
Parish Whiston
County Lancashire

1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Whiston, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Thomas
Last name Naylor
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widower
Sex Male
Age 58
Birth year 1843
Birth town St Helens
Birth town as transcribed ST HELENS
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Occupation Glass Polisher
House name -
House number -
Street -
Town Whiston
Parish Whiston
Country England
County Lancashire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Prescot
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3516
Folio 176

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

42, Guagers Row, Sutton, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Ann Naylor Head Widow Female 60 1821 Charwoman Sutton, Lancashire, England
Alfred Naylor Son Single Male 22 1859 Glass Polisher Sutton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Naylor Son Widower Male 37 1844 Glass Polisher Sutton, Lancashire, England
John Naylor Grand Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Lancashire, England
Rachel Naylor Grand Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Lancashire, England
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Prescot
Registration district number 456
Enumeration district 20
District number 20
Sub district Prescot
Sub district number 4
Census reference RG14PN22753 RD456 SD4 ED20 SN9999
RG78 code number 1332
Piece number 22753

His occupation is glass blower - rather than Grass lawer!

Thanks Shirley - didn't occur to me that it might be on a census - duh. I wonder if I can find any records of why he was in there. I'm guessing senility and I'm guessing he died there, so I suppose I'll have to get the death certificate to be sure.

Thanks for finding it, it was driving me nuts.

Thomas Naylor
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Prescot
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1033

It’s the 1911 census

Thos Naylor
Age in 1911: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Eccleston Whiston
Search Photos: Search for 'Eccleston Whiston' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Grass Lawer
Registration district: Prescot
Registration District Number: 456
Sub-registration district: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 19-20
Piece: 22753
Household Members:
big list of inmates!

Some are patients some inmates

It seems to be associated with the workhouse

While searching for another ancestor I came across a reference to Thomas Cole Naylor being an in-mate at the asylum annexe of the county lunatic asylum. Since I wasn't looking for him at the time, silly me didn't make a note of the reference and now I can't find it. Can anyone help.
Thomas Cole Naylor was the son of Joseph Naylor and Anne Cole. He was born about 1843 and baptised 31 August 1843 at Christ Church, Eccleston. He married Ann Anders on 10 April 1870.
Thanks.