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E H Herbert
6583
Company Serjeant Major
1908
South Lancashire Regiment

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk

Name: Annie Elizabeth Bunce
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1912
Marriage Place: Toltterham
Document Year: 1917
Residence Place: 38 Edenborough Rd, Wood Green
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Information Supplied By Recruit
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Ernest Herbert Self (Head)
Annie Elizabeth Bunce Spouse
George Ernest Herbert Herbert Child
Ernest Henry Herbert Child


Name: Ernest Herbert
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1888***************************************
Marriage Date: 2 Jun 1912
Marriage Place: All Hallows, Tottenham, Haringey, England
Father: George Herbert*************************************
Spouse: Annie Elizabeth Bunce
Register Type: Parish Register

Baptism of George

Name: George Earnest Walter Herbert
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1913
Baptism Place: Saint Benet Fink, Tottenham, Haringey, England
Father: Earnest Herbert Herbert. Occ: Railway Porter
Mother: Annie Elizabeth Herbert

The National Archives have South Lancs Regiment archives - might be worth investigating;

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C151388

First name(s) Ernest Henry
Last name Herbert
Birth year 1876
Death year 1927
County Middlesex
Place Heston
Age 51
Dedication St Leonard
Inscription
West side middle tier: ERNEST HENRY HERBERT / of Hounslow / who passed over the border / Dec. 9th 1927, aged 51 / "Loved by all".

Does anyone in the family happen to remember on what date Ernest H celebrated his birthday ? - I have a date of birth for someone I am following but I can't connect them as yet.

Thanks,

Dea x

Thanks a lot for your help you've been amazing.
Ive not heard of Fold 3 before only got Ancestry but will be able to find some military records now with his regimental number.

Ernest H Herbert
in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Ernest H Herbert
Regiment or Corps: 2/S Lan Regt
Regimental Number: 6583

First served in France. Date of entry therein: 22/4/1915

And another:

Ernest H Herbert
in the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
Name: Ernest H Herbert
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Company Sergeant Major
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire) Regiment
Regimental Number: 6583
Sub Unit: Time Serving
Previous Units: 6583 2nd. S. Lan. R. W.O. Cl. II, 6583 6th. S. Lan. R. W.O. Cl. II, 6583 6th. S. Lan. R. W.O. Cl. II, 6583 2nd. S. Lan. R. W.O. Cl. II

Another army record for him - different place of residence, but same army number:


Ernest Herbert
in the UK, WWI Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Name: Ernest Herbert
Gender: Male
Rank: C/S M
Birth Date: 1878
Residence Place: Leigh Lancs
Military Service Region: North West, England
Discharge Date: 25 Mar 1919
Service Number: 6583
Regiment: S. Lancs
Title: Pension Record Cards
Description: Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number: 3/MH/No.1539
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Ernest Herbert


Maybe someone with a sub to Fold3 would be able to discover more.

Can anyone make out what his father's occupation is, on the marriage cert?

Looks like Cotton Potton.

Yes, exactly.

Makes me wonder if he was born under another name ?
Maybe father's supposed name was invented for respectability reasons ??

Or he was at least using another name until his marriage?
Might have been abroad in the army in 1901.

same as you couldn't find him on any census apart from 1911 living in warrington with family ??

Ruling out the one born in Stockport - his mother's maiden surname was Howell.

Father wasn't Ernest, however:

Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Herbert Isaac Staines 3a 23
Howell Ruth Staines 3a 23

I now we're straying away from your request for military records (which, apart from what's been posted above, seem to be among the many military records which didn't survive).

However, as I gather you don't know where he was born or died, he's a challenge!
I don't see an Ernest Herbert with father Ernest, in any census record.
Nor an Ernest Herbert born 1876-9 actually in Birkenhead.

Ernest Herbert Herbert is an odd name anyway - the middle name the same as the last name.

Do you already know anything about his pre-marriage life?

For INFO
Name: Ernest Herbert Herbert
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1878
Marriage Date: 11 Jun 1906
Marriage Place: Frimley, St Peter, Surrey, England
Father: Ernest Herbert
Spouse: Beatrice Whitmall
Father: Edward Whitmall

He gives his birth year as 1878 on military form but Stockport is a long way from Birkenhead

Is this the birth of your Ernest? 1911 says born Birkenhead.

Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
Herbert Ernest Stockport 8a 34


(Just checking the year before searching further for a death.)

Thanks a lot for all your help

The only way to be sure is to buy a copy of the cert .


(I know there was an Ernest Henry Herbert born 1877 in Caterham.)

I have seen this death but think it is a different person