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17 Jun 2019 09:53 |
Thank you all for the information.
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16 Jun 2019 23:19 |
Hannah/Honora changes from Ryan to Blake at some point between 1861 and 1881.
in 1881, the daughter Mary is now also Blake.
Hannah Blake in the 1881 England Census Name: Hannah Blake Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Female Where born: Dunmore Co Galway Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Shop Nr Brook Side Marital status: Married Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel: 54 Neighbors: Piece: 3046 Folio: 102 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Blake 50 Mary Blake 26 - daughter, ammunition worker, Aston Ellen Blake - grand-daughter James Halligan 25 - visitor
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No that 1881 census is a different family ( ??? ). Here they are in 1871, and the children have mms Morris.
Hannah Blake in the 1871 England Census Name: Hannah Blake Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Blake Gender: Female Where born: Dummer, Ireland [Dunmore County Galway] Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Town: Witton County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Erdington ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 3159 Folio: 25 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age John Blake 49 Hannah Blake 48 Joseph Blake 18 Mary Blake 16 John Blake 15 Clara Blake 14 Charlotte Blake 13 Henry Blake 11
BLAKE, HENRY mms MORRIS GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 318
BLAKE, CLARA mms MORRIS GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 266
BLAKE, JOHN mms MORRIS GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 16
BLAKE, CHARLOTTE mms MORRIS GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 282
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16 Jun 2019 22:58 |
John Ryan in the 1861 England Census Name: John Ryan Age: 4 Estimated birth year: 1857 Relation: Son Mother's name: Honoray Ryan Gender: Male Where born: Perry Barr, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Handsworth County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 2020 Folio: 134 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Honoray Ryan 34 - widow, Ireland Mary Ryan 6 - daughter, Perry Bar John Ryan 4 - son
and several visitors: Catharine Joyce 25 Mary Joyce 30 Joby Joyce 23 Bridget C Macdonald 27 John Macdonald 5/12 Pattrick Hussey 21
so John's birth ??
RYAN, JOHN mms JOYCE GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 522
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16 Jun 2019 22:41 |
John Ryan in the 1881 England Census Name: John Ryan Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relationship to Head: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Perry Barr, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Handsworth County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 301 Aston Lane Occupation: General Labourer Registration district: West Bromwich ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: Piece: 2836 Folio: 38 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age George F. Challener 47 Eliza Challener 50 Fredk. I.Or J. Challener 23 Harriett Lizzie Challener 18 John Ryan 25
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16 Jun 2019 21:42 |
Ancestry suggests this is Sarah & John's marriage - but that's not correct, unless her mother Sarah Hemming was also known as Hannah - and where does the name Blake come into it?:
EDIT: It IS correct. Sarah is Hannah's daughter-in-law, as per 1901, anc not her daughter as per 1891.
Sarah Hannah Bird in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 Name: Sarah Hannah Bird Gender: Female Age: 20 Birth Date: abt 1861 Marriage Date: 14 Aug 1881 Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Stephen, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Stephen Father: Joseph Bird Spouse: John Ryan
BIRD, SARAH HANNAH mms HEMMING GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 139
Sarah Hemming in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 Name: Sarah Hemming Gender: Female Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1833 Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1856 Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Bartholomew Father: Thomas Hemming Spouse: Joseph Bird
Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%) Bird Joseph Birmingham 6d 15 Hemming Sarah Birmingham 6d 15
?? Joseph Bird in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915 Name: Joseph Bird Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Registration Year: 1883 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 48 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 55
EDIT: Yes, this will be correct. I was going by the 1891 census which says John Ryan is Hannah Blake's son-in-law, but in 1901 he's her son, which is correct.
So Sarah's maiden name isn't Blake after all - it's Bird
And anyway, Edith's mms is Bird:
RYAN, EDITH MAY mms BIRD GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 353
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16 Jun 2019 21:31 |
Edith Ryan in the 1911 England Census Name: Edith Ryan Age in 1911: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Erdington County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 24 Deykin Avenue Witton Marital status: Single Occupation: French Polisher Registration district: Aston Registration District Number: 385 Sub-registration district: Erdinton ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 18338 Household Members: Name Age John Ryan 53 Sarah Hannah Ryan 49 Joseph Dixon Ryan 28 Alice Ryan 27 Edith Ryan 22 Sarah Nellie Ryan 20 Lillian Ryan 19 Doris Jessie Ryan 9
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jun 2019 21:29 |
In 1891, all the Ryans (apart from John) have been mistranscribed as Blake:
Edith Blake in the 1891 England Census Name: Edith Blake [Edith Ryan] Gender: Female Age: 2 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1889 Father: Hannah Blake [ John Ryan ] Mother: Sarah Blake Birth Place: Witton, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Residence Place: Witton, Aston, Warwickshire, England Sub registration district: Erdington ED, Institution or Vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 2425 Folio: 6 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Blake 57 - head, widow, Ireland John Ryan 33 - son-in-law, metal cleaner, Staffs. Sarah Blake 29 - [ Ryan ], wife, Birmingham Joseph Blake 9 - son (of John & Sarah) - Birmingham Alice Blake 7 - daughter (of J&S), Witton John Blake 5 - son (of J&S), witton Edith Blake 2 - daughter (of J&S), Witton Nellie Blake 5/12 - daughter (of J&S), Witton
Edith Ryan in the 1901 England Census Name: Edith Ryan Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation to Head: Granddaughter Gender: Female Father: John B Ryan Mother: Sarah H Ryan Birth Place: Witton, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Erdington Ecclesiastical parish: Aston St Peter and St Paul County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Erdington ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: Piece: 2876 Folio: 147 Page Number: 13 Household schedule number: 78 Household Members: Name Age Hannah Blake 69 John B Ryan 43 - son Sarah H Ryan 39 - daughter-in-law Joseph Ryan 18 Alice Ryan 17 John Ryan 15 Edith Ryan 12 Nellie Ryan 10 Lilian Ryan 9
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malyon
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16 Jun 2019 20:15 |
John Stanley Wood England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Collections from Great Britain, England Country England County Warwickshire Year 1979 Birth Year 1886 Event Quarter 2 District Birmingham
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ErikaH
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16 Jun 2019 20:12 |
Have you done any research yourself?
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malyon
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16 Jun 2019 19:51 |
Edith May Ryan England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008
Name: Edith May Ryan Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1888 Registration District: Aston County: Warwickshire Event Place: Aston, Warwickshire, England Volume: 6D Page: 353 Affiliate Line Number: 151
Edith M Ryan England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005 Name: Edith M Ryan Event Type: Marriage Event Place: Aston, Warwickshire, England Registration District: Aston County: Warwickshire Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1916 Volume: 6D Page: 1177 Affiliate Line Number: 41 Spouse Name (available after 1911): Wood Possible Spouse: John S Wood
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16 Jun 2019 19:30 |
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1939 Register logo The National Archives logo Edith M Wood's life in 1939 79 Park Road, Sutton Coldfield M.B., Warwickshire, England
Wood household (5 people) First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number John S Wood 10 Nov 1886 Male Temporary Sorting Clerk Gp Married 53 1 Edith M Wood 26 May 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 53 2 Margaret Melville (Wood) 13 Mar 1920 Female At College Single 53 3 The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this? John R Wood 23 Jun 1932 Male At School Single 53 5
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16 Jun 2019 19:23 |
Looking for ancestors of Edith M Ryan born 1888, who married J.S. Wood in 1916. Also any ancestors of J.S.Wood born 1886.
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