William Edgar Spiers/Eden

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Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 6 Send Message	Cassandra	Report	24 May 2019 15:50
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 6 Send Message	I am searching for any details pertaining to my paternal grandfather who I have named in the subject heading. I know that he was born in 1910 possibly October and that his parents were William and ?Ethel Ann? Spiers. His father died in WW1 and we think his mother re-married hence the query surrounding surname. William Edgar Spiers married my grandmother in June 1944 and was posted abroad by the army (Army number 1868086 REME is all the information I have in this respect) subsequently after their marriage - they had a child Michael Eden (my father) in 1945 and as far as I know, he remained abroad on army duties until 1947. He returned to the UK in 1947 and the only further record I can find is that he left the country on a ship bound for Jamaica and he was using the surname Eden at this point. Any help or suggestion as to where to go from here would be gratefully received. (I have tried searching for him using birth details to no avail and I can't find him on the 1911 census. I have also tried searching his army number on their records but no-one with his name/number is listed.) Kindest regards, Cassie Moxon
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,286 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	24 May 2019 16:03
	??? Long shot - haven't checked this out yet - SPIERS, WILLIAM EDGAR - GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 1538 EDIT: No, your Wiliam's parents were married. EDIT again: But I don't see any likely marriage of his parents, nor any sign of them in 1911. Where did you find the names of his parents?
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 16:29
	Cassie, i am probably missing it but you say "William Edgar Spiers married my grandmother in June 1944 " what was your grandmother's name?
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Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 29,988 Send Message	+++DetEcTive+++	Report	24 May 2019 16:39
	Military records after 1920 are still with the MoD. That’s why you can’t find anything online. You can order a copy for £30 although there could be a wait of several months http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html
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Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,511 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	24 May 2019 16:44
	There’s a marriage in 1944 for William E Spiers and Iris Stuart in Liverpool
Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 16:44
	It's ok just found it, 1944 Liverpool.
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 16:49
	just for ref Spiers on image 126 Smithdown Rd Hospital Smithdown Road, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England Iris M Speirs (Stuart) 25 Apr 1917 Female Probationer Nurse- Hospit Single 1 56
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 17:07
	For consideration EDIT no ignore this have found a first marriage for Annie. 30 Nesfield Street, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England William Eden 22 May 1882 Male Brick Labourer Married 20 1 Annie E Eden 08 May ? Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 20 2
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 17:30
	Just for ref dept to Jamaica, he gives his residence as Weston Suoer mare, and was intending to stay in Jamaica First name(s) William Edgar Last name Eden Gender Male Age 36 Birth year 1911 Occupation CLERK OF WORK Departure year 1947 Departure day 8 Departure month 4 Departure port Avonmouth Destination port Kingston Destination KINGSTON Country Jamaica Destination country Jamaica Ship name Ariguani Ship official number 148890 Ship master's first name J A Ship master's last name WALLIS Shipping line ELDERS & FYFFES LD City AVONMOUTH Ship destination port KINGSTON Ship destination country JAMAICA Ship registered tonnage 4116.47 Number of passengers 129
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 17:34
	This rather ties in with the age of the William Edgar travelling to Jamaica ?? William Edgar Eden Jamaica, Civil Registration Name William Edgar Eden Event Type Marriage Event Date 09 Jun 1937 Event Place Kingston, Jamaica Gender Male Father's Name John Eden Spouse's Name Edna Inez Cappe Spouse's Gender Female Spouse's Father's Name Albert Cappe https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G948-N7WV?i=1702&cc=1538386
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Member Since: February 2006 Posts: 36,149 Send Message	Rambling	Report	24 May 2019 17:41
	Cassie, On the marriage cert to Iris, does it actually give middle name as Edgar or are you assuming that since you found the record for the WE Eden going to Jamaice?
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Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,511 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	24 May 2019 17:43
	There’s a birth matching the OP’s statement about her father. The details from the cert may prove illuminating - particularly the father's details One has to wonder why the surname apparently changed in the short time between the marriage and the birth.
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 6 Send Message	Cassandra	Report	29 Jan 2020 11:57
Member Since: January 2007 Posts: 6 Send Message	Thank you to you all for the various information I garnered. I was able to find out a little more and have now been in contact with my great uncle (William Edgar's younger brother) who is 94 and has filled me in on a great deal of the family history! :-D <3

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