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26 May 2019 15:27 |
Mercy Holham seems to have had at least one other illegitimate child:
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Holtham Gender: Female Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1816 Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England Mother: Mercy Holtham FHL Film Number: 0354334, 0354335
Mercy may have married later in life:
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Mercy Holtham Gender: Female Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1821 Marriage Place: Feckenham, Worcester, England Spouse: William Price FHL Film Number: 350574 Reference ID: item 1 p 38
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26 May 2019 14:18 |
The transcript of Feckenham baptisms I posted earlier have the following, which could be the baptism of the Richard Holthom who married Mercy Marshall in 1765, who may have been the grandparents of Gerrard Holtham/Jarret Hotham.
Howton Ricd parents Richd & Sarah 26/01/1733
or, and possibly more likely:
Holtham Richd parent Joseph 01/10/1739
By this stage it's getting highly speculative.
A Joseph and Sarah Holtam have a daur Mary baptised at Feckenham 22/02/1735
A Joseph and Sarah Houltham have a son Willm Houltham baptised at Feckenham 13/08/1733.
A Jos Holtham married a Sarah Griffen at Alvechurch, about 10 miles from Feckenham, in 1732.
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Jos Holtham Spouse's Name: Sara Griffen Event Date: 03 Oct 1732 Event Place Alvechurch,Worcester,England
Lastly, a Joseph Holtham was baptised in Hanbury , approx 3 miles from Feckenham, in 1708.
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Joseph Holtham<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Christening Date: Feb 1708 Christening Date (Original): Feb 1708 Christening Place: Hanbury Father's Name: Rich. Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<
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23 May 2019 21:27 |
AG ..............
that's not unknown!!!!
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ArgyllGran
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23 May 2019 21:16 |
For the 1841 census, on Ancestry, I've tried Jassett, Jannett, Ja*t, and variations of Holtham, Hotham, Holtam, Holtom, Ho*m - all without success.
Perhaps Ancestry has missed him out by mistake.
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23 May 2019 21:00 |
On the transcript for Jarrett's marriage in 1844, it looks as though Elizabeth might also have been a widow ......... at least her father is named with a different surname
England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) Jarrett Last name Holtham Name note - Marriage year 1844 Marriage date 26 Dec 1844 Marriage place Lambeth Father's first name(s) Jarrett Father's last name Holtham Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Beazley Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward Spouse's father's last name Hellger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< County Surrey Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
from Ancestry .............
The Banns for their marriage ....
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Elizabeth Beazley Gender: Female Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 1 Dec 1844 Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Spouse: Jarratt Holtham Register Type: Parish Register
The image says Widower for Jarrett, and Widow for Elizabeth both of this Parish
Their Marriage ............
Name: Elizabeth Beazley [Elizabeth Hellyer] Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1844 Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Father: Edward Hellyer Spouse: Jarrett Holtham Register Type: Parish Register
Someone has added the alternate name for Elizabeth
The image shows that both fathers were deceased. I am not certain whether Edward Hellyer's occupation was Tailor or Sailor!!
Witnesses signatures are similarly hard to decipher ................ (xxxxxx) Howarth and Mary Anne (?) E (xxxxary)?
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23 May 2019 20:48 |
FMP has the same 1841 Census as the one from FamilySearch posted above by AG ..............
transcript for Jarrett .......
First name(s) Jarrett Last name Holtham Sex Male Age 37 Birth year 1804 Birth county - Birth place (other) - House name - House number - Street Silver Street Parish or township St James Town - City or borough Westminster Registration district St James Westminster County London, Middlesex Country England
Looking at the image, Jarrett could possibly be read as Jassett???? Possible reason for not appearing on Ancestry???
It does not give Jarrett's occupation.
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Dawn
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23 May 2019 19:06 |
wow thanks for info so far
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ArgyllGran
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23 May 2019 18:03 |
From FamilySearch:
Jarrett Holtham England and Wales Census, 1841 Name Jarrett Holtham Event Type Census Event Date 1841 Event Place St James, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom Gender Male Age 37 Age 37 Birth Year (Estimated) 1800-1804 Registration District St James Westminster Parish St James County Middlesex Page Number 8 Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 735/43 Affiliate Record Type Institution
Mary Esper F 25 Wm Esper M 3 Middlesex Amelia Esper F 1 Middlesex James Clarkson M 32 Frances Clarkson F 25 Frances Clarkson F 1 Middlesex Lucy Fox F 25 Jarrett Holtham M 37 - NOT born in Middlesex Elizth Lafar F 37 Middlesex Francis Fox M 5 Middlesex Lucy Fox F 2 Middlesex Elija Hammett M 32 Middlesex Rebecca Hammett F 39 Wm Murray M 30 Ireland Mary Murray F 25 George Mores M 39 Middlesex Charlotte Mores F 40 Middlesex Jas Hew M 48 Middlesex Mary Hew F 48 Middlesex Wm Esper M 25
I can find the record on Ancestry by looking for Amelia Esper, but Jarrett's name must be so badly mistranscribed that I haven't found it yet on Ancestry.
The address (I think) is Silver Street, but it's not an institution record as implied above - just lots of households all in Silver Street.
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23 May 2019 17:56 |
Possible baptism for Mercy Holtham?
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mercy Holtham Gender: Female Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1777 Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England Father: Richd. Holtham Mother: Mercy FHL Film Number: 354333
EDIT: Marriage of Mercy's parents, Richard and Mercy?
EDIT:Bradley is less than 2 miles from Feckenham.
Worcestershire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records, 1541-1812
Name: Mercy<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Maiden Name: Marshall<<<<<<<<<< Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 11 Jul 1765 Marriage Place: Worcestershire, England Parish: Bradley Spouse: Richard Holthom<<<<<<<<<<<<
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23 May 2019 17:52 |
Baptism of son James, middle name GERRARD, and father also GERRARD:
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: James Gerrard Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Apr 1846 Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1847 Baptism Place: St. James, Westminster, Middlesex, England Father: Gerrard Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Elizabeth Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<< FHL Film Number: 1850977
My gut feeling is that baptism of Gerrard Holtham son of Mercy Holtham in my previous post, is in fact 'Jarrett''s baptism.
More detail on baptism of the son James Gerrard/Jarrett Holtham.
Westminster Baptisms
First name(s) James Gerrard Last name Holtham Baptism year 1847 Birth year 1846 Parish St James County Middlesex Country England Father's first name(s) Gerrard Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Page 54 Birth date 11 Apr 1846 Baptism date 05 Apr 1847 Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre Record set Westminster Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Address 4 Marlborough Row, father's occupation - TAILOR
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23 May 2019 17:47 |
Not sure how near Feckenham is to Alcester, just wondering if this is a possibility.
EDIT: It's about 8 miles between them.
I notice when Jarrett marries Elizabeth, his father has the same name and occupation as Jarrett himself. Could he actually be an invented face saver, if Jarrett was in fact illegitimate?
If so, is this a possiblility for Jarrett's baptism?
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Gerrard Holtam<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gender: Male Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1803 Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England Mother: Mercy Holtam <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
EDIT: In a transcript of Feckenham baptisms:
http://feckenhamchurch.com/sites/default/files/Baptisms_1538_to_1899.pdf
Gerrard is described as 'base' ie base born or illegitimate. I suspect that father, with same name and occupation as Gerrard/Jarrett himself, on the marriage to Elizabeth Beazley, was made up just to save face.
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ArgyllGran
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23 May 2019 17:38 |
The son's birth:
HOLTHAM, JAMES JARRETT mms BEAZLEY GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 373
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23 May 2019 17:37 |
In that 1844 marriage, Jarrett is a widowed tailor, and his father is also named as Jarrett Holtham, a deceased tailor.
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23 May 2019 17:36 |
Record Transcription: England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Beazley Name note - Marriage year 1844 Marriage date 26 Dec 1844 Marriage place Lambeth Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Hellger Spouse's first name(s) Jarrett Spouse's last name Holtham Spouse's father's first name(s) Jarrett Spouse's father's last name Holtham Residence Lambeth, Surrey, England County Surrey Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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ArgyllGran
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23 May 2019 17:34 |
Elizabeth Beazley in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Elizabeth Beazley Gender: Female Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 1 Dec 1844 Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Spouse: Jarratt Holtham Register Type: Parish Register
Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%) BEAZLEY Elizabeth Lambeth 4 HOLTHAM Jarrett Lambeth 4 353
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23 May 2019 17:21 |
from GRO, it's the only one that seems likely
HOTHAM, JAMES 61 GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 267
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23 May 2019 17:19 |
Possible death ??
James Hotham in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003 Name: James Hotham Age: 53 Record Type: Burial Birth Date: abt 1801 Death Date: abt 1854 Burial Date: 15 Oct 1854 Burial Place: Saint Marylebone, Westminster, England Register Type: Parish Register
If this is his son's marriage, he's named there as James
James Janett Hotham in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: James Janett Hotham Gender: Male Marriage Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1847 Marriage Date: 25 Feb 1877 Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England Father: James Janett Hotham (Tailor ) Spouse: Elizabeth Godfrey Register Type: Parish Register
Although - if Jarrett died when James was 7 (13 at the most), maybe James wasn't sure of his father's name.
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23 May 2019 17:10 |
Posting for helpers' reference:
Jarratt Hotham in the 1851 England Census Name: Jarratt Hotham Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1803 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizh Hotham Gender: Male Where born: Alcester, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: All Souls ED, institution, or vessel: 06b Neighbors: Household schedule number: 539 Piece: 1486 Folio: 358 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Jarratt Hotham 48 - tailor Elizh Hotham 49 Jas J Hotham 4
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Dawn
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23 May 2019 17:03 |
I am looking for any info for a Jarret Hotham born 1803 Alcester, Warwickshire. 1851 he was married to Elizabeth from Poole Dorset with one sone James J Hotham (James Jarrett ) born 1847. I know had died by 1861 but have been unable to find death record as well as married or birth record if anyone could help would be very grateful thanks Dawn
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