Find Ancestors

Top tip - using the Genes Reunited community

Welcome to the Genes Reunited community boards!

  • The Genes Reunited community is made up of millions of people with similar interests. Discover your family history and make life long friends along the way.
  • You will find a close knit but welcoming group of keen genealogists all prepared to offer advice and help to new members.
  • And it's not all serious business. The boards are often a place to relax and be entertained by all kinds of subjects.
  • The Genes community will go out of their way to help you, so don’t be shy about asking for help.

Quick Search

Single word search

Icons

  • New posts
  • No new posts
  • Thread closed
  • Stickied, new posts
  • Stickied, no new posts

help needed

ProfilePosted byOptionsPost Date

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 May 2019 15:27

Mercy Holham seems to have had at least one other illegitimate child:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Elizabeth Holtham
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 30 Jun 1816
Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England
Mother: Mercy Holtham
FHL Film Number: 0354334, 0354335

Mercy may have married later in life:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Mercy Holtham
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1821
Marriage Place: Feckenham, Worcester, England
Spouse: William Price
FHL Film Number: 350574
Reference ID: item 1 p 38

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 26 May 2019 14:18

The transcript of Feckenham baptisms I posted earlier have the following, which could be the baptism of the Richard Holthom who married Mercy Marshall in 1765, who may have been the grandparents of Gerrard Holtham/Jarret Hotham.

Howton Ricd parents Richd & Sarah 26/01/1733

or, and possibly more likely:

Holtham Richd parent Joseph 01/10/1739

By this stage it's getting highly speculative.

A Joseph and Sarah Holtam have a daur Mary baptised at Feckenham 22/02/1735

A Joseph and Sarah Houltham have a son Willm Houltham baptised at Feckenham 13/08/1733.

A Jos Holtham married a Sarah Griffen at Alvechurch, about 10 miles from Feckenham, in 1732.

England Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Jos Holtham
Spouse's Name: Sara Griffen
Event Date: 03 Oct 1732
Event Place Alvechurch,Worcester,England


Lastly, a Joseph Holtham was baptised in Hanbury , approx 3 miles from Feckenham, in 1708.

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Joseph Holtham<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Christening Date: Feb 1708
Christening Date (Original): Feb 1708
Christening Place: Hanbury
Father's Name: Rich. Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 May 2019 21:27

AG ..............

that's not unknown!!!!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 21:16

For the 1841 census, on Ancestry, I've tried Jassett, Jannett, Ja*t, and variations of Holtham, Hotham, Holtam, Holtom, Ho*m - all without success.

Perhaps Ancestry has missed him out by mistake.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 May 2019 21:00

On the transcript for Jarrett's marriage in 1844, it looks as though Elizabeth might also have been a widow ......... at least her father is named with a different surname

England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Jarrett
Last name Holtham
Name note -
Marriage year 1844
Marriage date 26 Dec 1844
Marriage place Lambeth
Father's first name(s) Jarrett
Father's last name Holtham
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Beazley
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward
Spouse's father's last name Hellger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973


from Ancestry .............

The Banns for their marriage ....

London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Elizabeth Beazley
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 1 Dec 1844
Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Spouse: Jarratt Holtham
Register Type: Parish Register

The image says Widower for Jarrett, and Widow for Elizabeth both of this Parish


Their Marriage ............

Name: Elizabeth Beazley
[Elizabeth Hellyer]
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1844
Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: Edward Hellyer
Spouse: Jarrett Holtham
Register Type: Parish Register


Someone has added the alternate name for Elizabeth

The image shows that both fathers were deceased. I am not certain whether Edward Hellyer's occupation was Tailor or Sailor!!

Witnesses signatures are similarly hard to decipher ................ (xxxxxx) Howarth and Mary Anne (?) E (xxxxary)?

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 23 May 2019 20:48

FMP has the same 1841 Census as the one from FamilySearch posted above by AG ..............

transcript for Jarrett .......

First name(s) Jarrett
Last name Holtham
Sex Male
Age 37
Birth year 1804
Birth county -
Birth place (other) -
House name -
House number -
Street Silver Street
Parish or township St James
Town -
City or borough Westminster
Registration district St James Westminster
County London, Middlesex
Country England


Looking at the image, Jarrett could possibly be read as Jassett???? Possible reason for not appearing on Ancestry???

It does not give Jarrett's occupation.

Dawn

Dawn Report 23 May 2019 19:06

wow thanks for info so far

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 18:03

From FamilySearch:


Jarrett Holtham
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Jarrett Holtham
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place St James, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
Gender Male
Age 37
Age 37
Birth Year (Estimated) 1800-1804
Registration District St James Westminster
Parish St James
County Middlesex
Page Number 8
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 735/43
Affiliate Record Type Institution

Mary Esper F 25
Wm Esper M 3 Middlesex
Amelia Esper F 1 Middlesex
James Clarkson M 32
Frances Clarkson F 25
Frances Clarkson F 1 Middlesex
Lucy Fox F 25
Jarrett Holtham M 37 - NOT born in Middlesex
Elizth Lafar F 37 Middlesex
Francis Fox M 5 Middlesex
Lucy Fox F 2 Middlesex
Elija Hammett M 32 Middlesex
Rebecca Hammett F 39
Wm Murray M 30 Ireland
Mary Murray F 25
George Mores M 39 Middlesex
Charlotte Mores F 40 Middlesex
Jas Hew M 48 Middlesex
Mary Hew F 48 Middlesex
Wm Esper M 25


I can find the record on Ancestry by looking for Amelia Esper, but Jarrett's name must be so badly mistranscribed that I haven't found it yet on Ancestry.

The address (I think) is Silver Street, but it's not an institution record as implied above - just lots of households all in Silver Street.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 23 May 2019 17:56

Possible baptism for Mercy Holtham?

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Mercy Holtham
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1777
Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England
Father: Richd. Holtham
Mother: Mercy
FHL Film Number: 354333

EDIT: Marriage of Mercy's parents, Richard and Mercy?

EDIT:Bradley is less than 2 miles from Feckenham.

Worcestershire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records, 1541-1812

Name: Mercy<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Maiden Name: Marshall<<<<<<<<<<
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Jul 1765
Marriage Place: Worcestershire, England
Parish: Bradley
Spouse: Richard Holthom<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 23 May 2019 17:52

Baptism of son James, middle name GERRARD, and father also GERRARD:

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: James Gerrard Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1846
Baptism Date: 5 Apr 1847
Baptism Place: St. James, Westminster, Middlesex, England
Father: Gerrard Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Elizabeth Holtham<<<<<<<<<<<<<
FHL Film Number: 1850977


My gut feeling is that baptism of Gerrard Holtham son of Mercy Holtham in my previous post, is in fact 'Jarrett''s baptism.

More detail on baptism of the son James Gerrard/Jarrett Holtham.

Westminster Baptisms

First name(s) James Gerrard
Last name Holtham
Baptism year 1847
Birth year 1846
Parish St James
County Middlesex
Country England
Father's first name(s) Gerrard
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Page 54
Birth date 11 Apr 1846
Baptism date 05 Apr 1847
Archive
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

Address 4 Marlborough Row, father's occupation - TAILOR

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 23 May 2019 17:47

Not sure how near Feckenham is to Alcester, just wondering if this is a possibility.

EDIT: It's about 8 miles between them.

I notice when Jarrett marries Elizabeth, his father has the same name and occupation as Jarrett himself. Could he actually be an invented face saver, if Jarrett was in fact illegitimate?

If so, is this a possiblility for Jarrett's baptism?

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Gerrard Holtam<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1803
Baptism Place: Feckenham,Worcester,England
Mother: Mercy Holtam <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EDIT: In a transcript of Feckenham baptisms:

http://feckenhamchurch.com/sites/default/files/Baptisms_1538_to_1899.pdf

Gerrard is described as 'base' ie base born or illegitimate. I suspect that father, with same name and occupation as Gerrard/Jarrett himself, on the marriage to Elizabeth Beazley, was made up just to save face.

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 17:38

The son's birth:

HOLTHAM, JAMES JARRETT mms BEAZLEY
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 373

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 23 May 2019 17:37

In that 1844 marriage, Jarrett is a widowed tailor, and his father is also named as Jarrett Holtham, a deceased tailor.

safc

safc Report 23 May 2019 17:36

Record Transcription:
England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Beazley
Name note -
Marriage year 1844
Marriage date 26 Dec 1844
Marriage place Lambeth
Father's first name(s) Edward
Father's last name Hellger
Spouse's first name(s) Jarrett
Spouse's last name Holtham
Spouse's father's first name(s) Jarrett
Spouse's father's last name Holtham
Residence Lambeth, Surrey, England
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 17:34

Elizabeth Beazley
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Elizabeth Beazley
Gender: Female
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 1 Dec 1844
Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Spouse: Jarratt Holtham
Register Type: Parish Register


Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
BEAZLEY Elizabeth Lambeth 4
HOLTHAM Jarrett Lambeth 4 353

Rambling

Rambling Report 23 May 2019 17:21

from GRO, it's the only one that seems likely

HOTHAM, JAMES 61
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 267

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 17:19

Possible death ??

James Hotham
in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
Name: James Hotham
Age: 53
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1801
Death Date: abt 1854
Burial Date: 15 Oct 1854
Burial Place: Saint Marylebone, Westminster, England
Register Type: Parish Register



If this is his son's marriage, he's named there as James

James Janett Hotham
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: James Janett Hotham
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1847
Marriage Date: 25 Feb 1877
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: James Janett Hotham (Tailor )
Spouse: Elizabeth Godfrey
Register Type: Parish Register

Although -
if Jarrett died when James was 7 (13 at the most), maybe James wasn't sure of his father's name.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 May 2019 17:10

Posting for helpers' reference:


Jarratt Hotham
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Jarratt Hotham
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizh Hotham
Gender: Male
Where born: Alcester, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 06b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 539
Piece: 1486
Folio: 358
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Jarratt Hotham 48 - tailor
Elizh Hotham 49
Jas J Hotham 4

Dawn

Dawn Report 23 May 2019 17:03

I am looking for any info for a Jarret Hotham born 1803 Alcester, Warwickshire.
1851 he was married to Elizabeth from Poole Dorset with one sone James J Hotham (James Jarrett ) born 1847. I know had died by 1861 but have been unable to find death record as well as married or birth record if anyone could help would be very grateful thanks Dawn