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Possible baptism for Richard Smith:

Place Castle Church <<<<<<<<<<<<<(matches birth place in 1881 census above)
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 627
Baptism date 10 Oct 1832
Person forename Richard
Person sex M
Father forename Joseph
Mother forename Ann
Father surname SMITH
Person abode Near the castle
Father occupation Shoe maker


1841 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQT4-ZGT


Possible 1851 census for Joseph and Ann Smith:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLP-59G

Possible death for Ann Smith:

SMITH, ANN aged 61
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 6

Burial for Ann Smith: (BURIED IN RANTON BUT LIVED IN SEIGHFORD WHERE JOSEPH AND SONS WERE RECORDED IN THE 1861 CENSUS (SEE BELOW)

County Staffordshire
Place Ranton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 189
Burial date 14 Feb 1859
Burial person forename Ann
Burial person surname SMITH
Person age 61
Burial person abode Holly Lane Seighford

Possible 1861 census:
Abode: Seighford Staffordshire

Head: Joseph Smith aged 74, born Ranton Staffordshire Widow Occ: Shoemaker
Son: Richard Smith aged 27 born Castle Church Staffordshire occ: Ag Lab
Son: John Smith aged 22 born Eccleshall Staffordshire occ: Ag Lab

Possible burial for Joseph Smith: (AGAIN BURIED IN RANTON BUT LIVED IN SEIGHFORD)

County Staffordshire
Place Ranton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 230
Burial date 15 Jul 1869
Burial person forename Joseph
Burial person surname SMITH
Person age 82
Burial person abode Holly Lane Seighford


As Joseph Smith gives his palce of birth as Ranton this might be his baptism:

County Staffordshire
Place Ranton
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 20 Oct 1786
Person forename Joseph
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Esther
Father surname SMITH

Possible burials for Josephs parents:

County Staffordshire
Place Ranton
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 36
Burial date 23 Mar 1824
Burial person forename Esther
Burial person surname SMITH
Person age 70
Burial person abode Ranton Green


County Staffordshire
Place Ranton
Church name All Saints
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 71
Burial date 17 Oct 1832
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname SMITH
Person age 80
Burial person abode Millmeece P O Eccleshall

(POSSIBLY LIVING WITH HIS SON JOSEPH AND FAMILY IN ECCLESHALL AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS WIFE ESTHER)


1871 census: Richard Smith (Boarder living in Bordesley Warwickshire where he marries in 1873)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BH-JGQ

hi
do you have amelia's marriage certs?

for 1908 and 1920 ?

For ref mistranscribed on FMP as Drinman

1911 Census For England & Wales
Court House Green Foleshill Near Coventry, Foleshill, Warwickshire, England


John Drinman Head Married Male 31 1880 Coal Hewer Radcliffe Manchester
Amelia Drinman Wife Married Female 29 1882 - Birmingham
Edna Colley Smith Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Foleshill Wks
Amy Colley Smith Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Foleshill Wks
Catherine Colley Smith Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Foleshill Wks
Thomas R Colly Smith Son - Male 3 1908 - Foleshill Wks
Olive B Drinman Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Foleshill Wks


Olive's birth is given as maiden name Willetts, DRINNAN, OLIVE BEATRICE WILLETT
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in FOLESHILL Volume 06D Page 467

and Catherine's was Smith
SMITH, CATHERINE COLLEY -
GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in FOLESHILL Volume 06D Page 535

Just getting back to the Willetts, the marriage entry where Amelia marrys John Drinnan, Sep qtr 1908, Bury, Lancashire, Amelia is recorded as Amelia Willetts.

Vol 8c
Page1092

Barnett/Heath Family:

Possible Baptism for Sarah Barnetts mother: (So possibly Amelia Smith was named after her grandmother)

Amelia Heath
England Births and Christenings
Name Amelia Heath
Gender Female
Christening Date 14 Mar 1825
Christening Date (Original) 14 MAR 1825
Christening Place SAINT PHILLIPS,BIRMINGHAM,WARWICK,ENGLAND
Birth Date 14 Feb 1825
Father's Name William Heath
Mother's Name Elizabeth


Marriage for Sarah's parents:

Name Charles Barnett
Spouse's Name Amelia Heath
Event Date 12 Aug 1844
Event Place St. Philip'S Cathedral, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name Thomas Barnett
Spouse's Father's Name William Heath

1851 census:
Charles Barnett born c1825 Shropshire (recorded as Chat on Ancestry) with Amelia born 1826 and children Hannah ages 3 Wm aged 2 and Sarah aged 1

Possible death for Charles Barnett:

BARNETT, CHARLES aged 30
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 35


Widow Amelia in 1861 census:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905e86fe9379091b19fb2b1?search_id=5ce56c34f493fd55bcc39a6c

Birth registrations for children:

BARNETT, SARAH MMN HEATH
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 353

BARNETT, JANE MMN HEATH
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 65

BARNETT, ELIZA MMN HEATH
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 61




remarriage for Amelia:


Amelia Barnett
mentioned in the record of Charles Rathbone and Amelia Barnett
Name Charles Rathbone
Birth Date 1844
Age 20
Spouse's Name Amelia Barnett
Spouse's Birth Date 1828
Spouse's Age 36
Event Date 04 Jul 1864
Event Place St. Andrew, Bordesley, Warwick, England
Father's Name Thomas Rathbone
Spouse's Father's Name William Heath
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Widowed


1871 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8P-D2B

1881 census:

Abode: 43 Bordesley St Birmingham
Head: Charles Rathbone aged 36 born Lentine Hart occ: Cooper
Wife: Amelia aged 50 born Birmingham
Son: Charles aged 16 born Birmingham
Dau: Fanny M aged 14 born Birmingham

1891 census Amelia Rathbone widow aged 63 living with her son Charles Rathbone aged 26 and his family in Bordesley

1901 census: Amelia Rathbone aged 77 still living with her son Charles aged 36 and his family in Aston

Possible death for Amelia:

Deaths Jun 1906
RATHBONE Amelia aged 79 Aston 6d 127

I do know that another family member tried to look into this quite a few years ago and gave up as it got too complicated, I can see why now.

I am going to have to study all this in a quiet place, try and get my head round it, I am really very grateful to you all though.

1881 census:??

Templefield St Aston Warwickshire

Head: Richard Smith aged 48 born Castle Parish Staffordshire occ: Railway Pointsman
Wife: Sarah Smith aged 29 born Aston Warwickshire
Dau:: Maud aged 7 born Aston
Dau: Laura aged 5 born Aston
Son: Richard aged 2 born Aston

Birth registrations for children:

SMITH, MAUD MMN BARNETT
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 278

SMITH, LAURA JANE MMN BARNETT
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 299

SMITH, RICHARD JAMES MMN BARNETT
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 264



Possible death for Richard Smith:

Deaths Dec 1890
Smith Richard aged 58 Aston 6d 175

You could be right there Rambling. That's most likely to be the explanation. Can't look at the original to check it out.

Alviegal I think that might be a mistake?

IF this is the Sarah Barnett who married Smith and then Willetts, her father was Charles, might he have been put on the 2nd marriage as Smith?


First name(s) Richard
Last name Smith
Name note -
Age 40
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 28 Jul 1873
Marriage place Bordesley
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Smith
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Barnett
Spouse's birth year 1850
Spouse's birth date 1850
Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles <<<<
Spouse's father's last name Barnett
Residence Bordesley, Warwick, England
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Now I really am confused lol.

You are right, I am confusing the 2 families, I think I had been looking at it for too long in one go. Have just read though it all again and see what you mean.

Think it did my head in for a minute, Lol.

But if this is their marriage, then Sarah was a Smith not a Barnett according to this.

England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Robert
Last name Willetts
Name note -
Age 47
Marriage year 1891
Marriage date 01 Feb 1891
Marriage place Bordesley
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Willetts
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse's birth year 1852
Spouse's birth date 1852
Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's father's last name Smith

Robert's death?

ROBERT
Last name WILLETTS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1843
Age 82
Death quarter 4
Death year 1925
District Foleshill
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D
Page 696


???


England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) SARAH
Last name WILLETTS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1851
Age 83
Death quarter 1
Death year 1934
District Coventry
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D
Page 926

1911 and 1901 for Sarah Barnett/Willitts.


1911 Census For England & Wales

Hawkesbury Lane Nr Coventry, Walsgrave on Sowe, Warwickshire, England

Robert Willetts Husband Married Male 68 1843 Pensioner Halesowen Staffs
Sarah Willetts Wife Married Female 59 1852 - Birmingham
George Stanley Lodger Widower Male 57 1854 Labourer Cubington Warwick
William Spillbery Lodger Single Male 25 1886 Miner Bilstone



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Black Horse Lane, Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Robert Willets Head Married Male 58 1843 Signalman (Railway) Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Sarah Willets Wife Married Female 48 1853 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
George Preedy Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Loader (Coal Mine) Foleshill, Warwickshire, England



1891 already posted with Amelia.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Victoria Street, Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire, England

Robert Willitts Head Married Male 47 1844 Railway Servant Worcestershire, England
Sarah Willitts Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Warwickshire, England
Frank Willitts Son Single Male 17 1874 Railway Servant Staffordshire, England
Amy J Willitts Daughter Single Female 15 1876 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Laura Smith Daughter Single Female 15 1876 Dressmaker Warwickshire, England
Richard Smith Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Warwickshire, England
Amelia Smith Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

and 1881 for Robert with his first wife.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Belle Vue, 6, Upper Ryland Road, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Robert Willetts Head Married Male 39 1842 Railway Signalman Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Anne Willetts Wife Married Female 39 1842 - Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Alfred E Willetts Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Coseley, Staffordshire, England
Theodore Willetts Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Coseley, Staffordshire, England
Frank Willetts Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Coseley, Staffordshire, England
Amy F Willetts Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Deborah, I think you're still confusing the two families? ( or I am lol)

The family of Sarah, who then married Willetts is not the Amelia in the workhouse in 1891 who with other children was born to Abraham and Marina ( nee Pulley)

Sorry if I am misunderstanding :-)

I wonder if the family went abroad for a better life, if they didn't die in the workhouse. There is no one left alive now who we could ask, the few that are left say these things were never talked about.

Definately sure about the Willetts bit, this information came to me via the grandaughter of Amelia, she told me Amelia was married several times, and that the first man she lived with was called Robert Willets (she spelt it differant) we assumed it was a relationship and not a step father.

The Drinnan, and Barson marriages, we already knew about, we know that is correct.

What we didnt know was who Amelias parents were, so that section we were starting from scratch, I found who I thought was Amelia in the workhouse, turns out it was her.

In summary, what I was trying to find out was how she and her siblings ended up in the workhouse in the first place, who her parents were, and what happened to them.

If as Argyll Gran says you are sure on the Willetts connection then it is the Barnett/Smith marriage

I have just got interested in what happened to the family in the workhouse though, and how it turned out for them but they seem to disappear. :-(

Amelia Smith. 2nd Dec 1881.

I already knew about the Drinnan and Barson marriages, and I thought Robert Willetts was another husband, but now know it was her step father. I had also already found Amelia in the poor house, what I didnt know was how she came to get there, I didn't have any names for her parents or siblings, and I couldnt find them, but you have now found them for me.

Didn't mean "my" Robert Willetts , it was just a figure of speech, I knew of him only from a family member.

We thought he was a husband, not her step father, this is why I couldnt find her parents, was looking for the name Smith, not Willetts.

???

Richard Smith
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Richard Smith
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Sarah Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 6 H 4 CT Granville St
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Tin Burnisher
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 2978
Folio: 58
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Smith 30
Sarah Smith 29 - Birmingham, wife
Isaac Ward 19 - lodger