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21 May 2019 09:11 |
Daniel Duffin (1842 Crompton, Oldham) married Betty Whittaker (Oldham 1840) in the Oldham District in1866.
Before I send off for a marriage certificate, does anyone have access to records of marriage in the Oldham area. I want to find out the name of Betty Whittaker's father. She was born in Oldham in 1840 according to the census records but I can't pin down a likely candidate for Daniel's wife.
Daniel Duffin's father was Joseph Duffin (Cotton Waste Dealer)
Thanks in advance Richard
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ErikaH
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21 May 2019 09:29 |
Have you looked at the FREE Lancs OPC site?
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2019 09:31 |
Assuming she was officially Betty, and not Elizabeth, this looks the likely birth:
WHITTAKER, BETTY mms HOWARTH GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 162
If this is her in 1841 (although age a year out) , there are no other Whittakers with her - she seems to be with a family with surname ending in " . . itton". I can't make it out.
Betty Whittaker in the 1841 England Census Name: Betty Whittaker Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Ashton and Oldham Sub-registration district: Oldham above Town Neighbors: Piece: 546 Book: 11 Folio: 23 Page Number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Betty Whittaker 2
A couple of possibilities for parents' marriage - I don't have time at present to check who married whom:
Marriages Mar 1839 (>99%) BRIGGS Mary Ashton &c. 20 32 GORTON James Ashton &c. 20 32 HEYS Alice Ashton &c. 20 32 HOWARTH Margaret Ashton &c. 20 32 ??????? MARSH Abram Ashton &c. 20 32 SUCLIFFE Betty Ashton 20 32 TAYLOR Richard Ashton 20 32 WHITTAKER Joseph Ashton &c. 20 32 ???????
Marriages Sep 1838 (>99%) BUTTERWORTH Samuel Ashton &c. 20 33 CHEETHAM Mary Ann Ashton &c 20 33 HOWARTH Hannah Ashton &c. 20 33 ??????? HURST Benjamin Ashton &c 20 33 SHORE Charles Ashton &c. 20 33 WHITTAKER John Ashton &c. 20 33 ?????? WOLFENDEN Mary Ashton &c. 20 33 WRIGLEY Mary Ashton &c. 20 33
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21 May 2019 09:34 |
According to LancsBMD, they were married at St James, Oldham
Unless its the wrong St James, Lancashire Online Parish Clerk doesn't list a marriage. https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Oldham/registers.html
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Richard
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21 May 2019 09:37 |
Thanks for trying.I have looked at Lancashire Online Parish Clerk but couldn't see the marriage.
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AustinQ
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21 May 2019 09:38 |
No father listed on marriage: Daniel's father listed as Matthew!
Original image on Ancestry
Name: Betty Whittaker (occ: weaver) Gender: Female Marriage Age: 24 Address: Dun?erly Street No father listed Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1842 Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1866 Marriage Place: Oldham, St James, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Oldham, St James Spouse: Daniel Daffin (age 23, Occ: Turner) Spouse father: Matthew Duffin (Waste Dealer) Spouse Address: Greenacres Road
Witnesses: James Duffin & ?? ----------------------------
As no father listed, perhaps this baptism?
Name: Betty Whittaker Gender: Female Baptism Date: 27 May 1839 Baptism Place: St. Peters, Oldham, Lancashire, England Mother: Sarah Whittaker (Spinster) FHL Film Number: 1656069 ----------------------------------
Daniel and family 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Coop Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Mathew Daffin Head Married Male 46 1815 Cotton Waste Dealer Lancashire, England Racey Daffin Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Lancashire, England William Daffin Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Twiner Cotton Mill Lancashire, England Daniel Daffin Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Iron Turner Lancashire, England Martha Ann Daffin Daughter - Female 13 1848 ...Piecer Lancaster, Lancashire, England Mathew Daffin Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England Richard Daffin Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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KathleenBell
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21 May 2019 09:45 |
Possible for Betty in the 1861 census:-
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Mount Lion Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Whittaker Head Married Male 65 1796 Felt Hatter Royton, Lancashire, England Hannah Whittaker Wife Married Female 65 1796 Laundress Worsley, Lancashire, England Amelia Whittaker Daughter Unmarried Female 24 1837 Cotton Weaver Royton, Lancashire, England Betty Whittaker Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Cotton Weaver Royton, Lancashire, England
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ErikaH
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21 May 2019 09:47 |
Only two baptisms on lanopc 1841+/- 2yrs for an illegitimate Betty Whittaker - in Haslingden and Ashton. None in Oldham
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Richard
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21 May 2019 10:21 |
Thanks for all your help
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2019 12:11 |
Re Betty born 1840 ,Ashton & Oldham, mms Howarth:
Here she is with her family:
Betty Whittaker in the 1841 England Census Name: Betty Whittaker Age: 10 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Ashton and Oldham Sub-registration district: Chadderton Neighbors: Piece: 545 Book: 3 Folio: 18 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age James Whittaker 40 Sally Whittaker 40 George Whittaker 20 Mary Whittaker 15 Thomas Whittaker 15 James Whittaker 12 John Whittaker 5 Squire Whittaker 4 Betty Whittaker 10 Mo
Betty Whittaker in the 1851 England Census Name: Betty Whittaker Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Whittaker Mother's name: Sally Whittaker Gender: Female Where born: Chadderton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Chadderton Ecclesiastical parish: South Chadderton St John County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Oldham Sub-registration district: Chadderton ED, institution, or vessel: 1d Neighbors: Household schedule number: 123 Piece: 2242 Folio: 99 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age James Whittaker 53 Sally Whittaker 51 James Whittaker 23 John Whittaker 17 Lynne Whittaker 14 Betty Whittaker 10 Henry Whittaker 8
Baptism:
Betty Whittaker in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911 Name: Betty Whittaker Baptism Date: 30 Aug 1840 Parish: Oldham, Lancashire, England Father: James Whittaker Mother: Sarah Whittaker Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drm/2/246
Birth of brother Henry:
WHITAKER, HENRY mms HOWARTH GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 34
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ArgyllGran
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21 May 2019 12:14 |
James and Sarah/Sally's marriage:
James Whittaker England, Manchester, Parish Registers Name James Whittaker Event Type Marriage Event Date 26 Jul 1819 Event Place St Mary, Prestwich, Lancashire, England Gender Male Spouse's Name Sarah Howarth Spouse's Gender Female
No mention of parents' names. They both made their marks.
Witnesses: Thomas Grimshaw, Hugh Grimshaw, and Edward Redford. But the witnesses also witnessed many other marriages in that church, so they are no clue to either James or Sarah's families.
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AustinQ
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21 May 2019 12:21 |
As she doesn't list a father on her marriage, I suspect she was illegitimate.
I think the 1841 census posted by AG at top of page is most likely.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dirtcar, Oldham cum Prestwich, Ashton & Oldham, Lancashire, England
Benjamin Hilton Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England Sarah Hilton Female 25 1816 Lancashire, England Hannah Hilton Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England Mary Hilton Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England Margaret Hilton Female 15 1826 Lancashire, England Betty Whittaker Female 2 1839 Lancashire, England -------------------------------------
Benjamin Hilton married Nancy Whittaker in 1818- but Nancy already had an illegitimate daughter (Sarah- listed with surname Hilton in 1841). Daughter Sarah was baptised in 1813:
Name: Sarah Whittaker Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1813 Parish: Oldham, Lancashire, England Mother: Nancyy Whittaker Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drm/2/247 --------------------------------------------
Sarah had illegitimate daughter, Betty, baptised in 1839 and listed in the same household as Benjamin Hilton in 1841.
Name: Betty Whittaker Gender: Female Baptism Date: 27 May 1839 Baptism Place: St. Peters, Oldham, Lancashire, England Mother: Sarah Whittaker (Spinster) -------------------------------
Second marriage for Sarah: Name: Sarah Wood [Sarah Hilton] Gender: Female Marital status: Widowed Age: 44 Birth Date: 1813 Marriage Date: 12 Oct 1857 Marriage Place: St. Mary'S Church, Oldham, Lancashire, England Father: Benj'N Hilton Spouse: James Shaw FHL Film Number: 1656157 Reference ID: it 3 p 63
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AustinQ
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21 May 2019 12:27 |
Sarah and Betty in 1861 (In St James parish where she later marries):
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Darker Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England Ecclesiastical parish: St James
James Shaw Head Married Male 44 1817 Cotton Factory Worker Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Sarah Shaw Wife Married Female 47 1814 - Oldham, Lancashire, England Martha Shaw Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 Picer Cotton Factory Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Charles Shaw Son - Male 10 1851 Picer Cotton Factory Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Thomas Shaw Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Hannah Shaw Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England *Betty W Shaw Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Cotton Power Loom Weaver Oldham, Lancashire Enoch Wood Stepson - Male 15 1846 Twister In Cotton Factory Oldham, Lancashire Margaret Wood Stepdaughter - Female 10 1851 - Oldham, Lancashire,
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AustinQ
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21 May 2019 12:32 |
Although she lists her father as Benjamin Pollitt, I'm pretty sure this is Sarah's first marriage:
Name: Sarah Whittaker Gender: Female Marriage Age: Full Age Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1844 Marriage Place: Oldham, St Mary, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Oldham Father: Benjamin Pollitt Spouse: William Wood Reference Number: GB127.L185/1/5/18
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AustinQ
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21 May 2019 12:36 |
The Pollett name on the marriage obviously had some significance as this appears to be Betty in 1851 with surname Pollitt/ Pollett?:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dirtcar Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England
John Milne Head Married Male 55 1796 Iron Turner Oldham, Lancashire, England Sally Milne Wife - Female 53 1798 - Oldham, Lancashire, England Ann Hilton Lodger - Female 7 1844 - Oldham, Lancashire, England Betty Pollett Lodger - Female 11 1840 - Oldham, Lancashire, England
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Richard
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22 May 2019 10:25 |
Thank you again. I am intrigued b the Pollett connection.
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ArgyllGran
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22 May 2019 11:41 |
Re Enoch and Margaret Wood (step-children of James Shaw) in the 1861 posted by AQ:
Confirmation that Sarah's first marriage was to William Wood, as suggested by AQ
Sarah Wood in the 1851 England Census Name: Sarah Wood Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1814 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Willm Wood Gender: Female Where born: Oldham, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Oldham Ecclesiastical parish: St James Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: St James County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Oldham Sub-registration district: Oldham ED, institution, or vessel: 1t Neighbors: Household schedule number: 155 Piece: 2241 Folio: 501 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Willm Wood 30 Sarah Wood 37 Enoch Wood 4 Margaret Wood 6 Mo
WOOD, ENOCH mms WHITTAKER GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 164
WOOD, MARGARET mms WHITTAKER GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 723
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ArgyllGran
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22 May 2019 11:50 |
She listed her father as Benjamin Hilton at her marriage to James:
Is this a different Sarah ??
Sarah Hilton in the Manchester, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1541-1812 Name: Sarah Hilton Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1812 Baptism Place: Oldham, St Mary, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Oldham Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Benjamin Hilton Mother: Mary Hilton Reference Number: GB127.L185/1/3/3
EDIT: Yes, looks like a different Sarah. Copied from AQ's post above:
Benjamin Hilton married Nancy Whittaker in 1818- but Nancy already had an illegitimate daughter (Sarah- listed with surname Hilton in 1841). Daughter Sarah was baptised in 1813:
Name: Sarah Whittaker Baptism Date: 28 Nov 1813 Parish: Oldham, Lancashire, England Mother: Nancyy Whittaker Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts Reference Number: Drm/2/247
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AustinQ
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22 May 2019 15:58 |
Well spotted AG- had doubts for a minute seeing that baptism- but it seems as though that Sarah died later the same year:
Name: Sarah Hilton Event Type: Burial Burial Date: 17 Aug 1812 Burial Place: Oldham, St Mary, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Oldham Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Benjamin Hilton (of North Moor) Reference Number: GB127.L185/1/4/4
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