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Susan
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21 May 2019 07:56 |
malyon - yeah I had considered this one but agree with Rambling when I looked and MMN is Williams.
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20 May 2019 22:42 |
That's this family, so probably the Olive bn Births Sep 1868 (>99%) SEALE Olive Camberwell 1d 657
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 15, Wolsey Avenue, Walthamstow, West Ham, London & Essex, England
Philip Childs Head Married Male 49 1852 Designer & Manr Over Mantles Germany Olive Childs Wife Married Female 32 1869 - London, Middlesex, England Hahatia Childs Daughter - Female 7 1894 - London, Middlesex, England Maude Childs Daughter - Female 6 1895 - London, Middlesex, England Blanche Childs Daughter - Female 6 1895 - London, Middlesex, England Adolphus Childs Son - Male 3 1898 - London, Middlesex, England Julina Childs Son - Male 2 1899 - London, Middlesex, England
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malyon
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20 May 2019 22:36 |
could this be olive's marriage
Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%) BURLETSON Margaret Jessie Islington 1b 487 Scan available - click to view Childs Philip Islington 1b 487 Scan available - click to view Crossley Alfred Josiah Islington 1b 487 Scan available - click to view Seale Olive Islington 1b 487
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malyon
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20 May 2019 22:25 |
Olive Seale England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Collections from Great Britain, England Country England County London Year 1892 District Islington
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ArgyllGran
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20 May 2019 19:49 |
Going back to Martha M Davies (possibly nee Palmer) -
this looks like her in 1891 -
Martha M Davies in the 1891 England Census Name: Martha M Davies Gender: Female Age: 47 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1844 Birth Place: Aymestrey, Herefordshire, England Civil Parish: Leominster Residence Place: Leominster, Leominster, Herefordshire, England Sub registration district: Leominster ED, Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 2072 Folio: 57 Household Members: Name Age Martha M Davies 47 - widow, keeper of commercial temperance hotel John Hall 75 - uncle, widower, Luston Jane E Price 8 - visitor, Luston. Mary Bowland 18 - servant Richard Ashford 45 - boarder Herbert W Rhodes 25 - boarder Frederick L Duck 18 - boarder
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20 May 2019 19:45 |
The Olive Hoome posted by AustinQ same birth details, also does not appear anywhere else , nor does the name Hoome as far as I can see.
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20 May 2019 19:35 |
Mistranscribed on FMP Morvan on image
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Mill Common, Kingstone, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
William Morgan Or Moraean Head Married Male 38 1843 General Labourer Sutton, Herefordshire, England Mary Ann Morgan Or Moraean Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Lugwardine, Herefordshire, England Edwin G Morgan Or Moraean Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Withington, Herefordshire, England Sarah Ann Morgan Or Moraean Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Yarkhill, Herefordshire, England William Morgan Or Moraean Son Single Male 2 1879 - Kingstone, Herefordshire, England Jinie ? Morgan Or Moraean Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Kingstone, Herefordshire, England
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20 May 2019 19:30 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cottage, Pipe cum Lyde, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
William Morvan Head Married Male 46 1845 Agricultural Labourer Herefordshire, England Mary A Morvan Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Herefordshire, England Edwin G Morvan Son Single Male 17 1874 General Labourer Herefordshire, England Sarah A Morvan Daughter - Female 15 1876 Scholar Herefordshire, England William Morvan Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Herefordshire, England Elizabeth Morvan Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Herefordshire, England
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20 May 2019 19:30 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cottage, Pipe cum Lyde, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
William Morvan Head Married Male 46 1845 Agricultural Labourer Herefordshire, England Mary A Morvan Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Herefordshire, England Edwin G Morvan Son Single Male 17 1874 General Labourer Herefordshire, England Sarah A Morvan Daughter - Female 15 1876 Scholar Herefordshire, England William Morvan Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Herefordshire, England Elizabeth Morvan Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Herefordshire, England
MORVAN, EDWIN GEORGE SEAL GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 492 MORVAN, WILLIAM SEAL GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 548 MORVAN, SARAH ANN SEAL GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in LEDBURY Volume 06A Page 459
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20 May 2019 19:28 |
Just while I see them
MORVAN, EMILY SEAL GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 504
MORVAN, IREANEY SEAL GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 532
MORVAN, MARY ANN SEAL GR O Reference: 1879 M Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 549
MORVAN, ELIZABETH SEAL GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 529
death MORVAN, TREANEY 0 GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 295
MORVAN, EMILY 0 GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 265
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Susan
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20 May 2019 19:22 |
Rambling - this is the one I was going with but was a bit lead by another tree and ancestry hints so was coming back to it to have a better search on options. Its frustrating when you cannot have a quick look at the parish records for marriages and you cannot but the PDF version of the certificates. :-(
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20 May 2019 19:19 |
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Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%) Morvan William Hereford 6a 925 Seale Mary Anne Hereford 6a 925
MORVAN, MARY ANN SEAL GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 549 ( died same year
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Susan
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20 May 2019 19:18 |
ArgyllGran - yeah adoption was my thought as well as I cannot see a death and cannot find a trace of her post 1871. If that is the case is it a dead end?
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ArgyllGran
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20 May 2019 19:11 |
Perhaps Olive was adopted and her name changed, if nobody in the family was prepared to take on a 3-year-old child.
Or maybe she was adopted earlier, while still a baby, if her father couldn't cope and was perhaps unwell - 1871-73.
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ErikaH
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20 May 2019 19:08 |
Thomas married Mary Underwood, who already had a child - George
She gave him two children - Thomas and Mary Ann, then died in 1853
Thomas re-married and fathered two children whose births are on the GRO site.
When the GRO rectify their omission you will be able to find out if Olive was Thomas’s daughter, or his Granddaughter. If you’re not prepared to wait for that, a copy of the birth certificate would give you the answer
None of which is of any help with tracing Olive after 1871
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20 May 2019 19:07 |
There is this birth in 1874 which 'might' be to Mary Ann
SEAL, MARY ANN - GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 519
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ArgyllGran
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20 May 2019 19:05 |
On the other hand (following on from my last post ), there's this - don't know if connected or not -
Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%) BARKER Edmund Leominster 6a 1123 DAVIES Charles Leominster 6a 1123 DAVIS Charles Leominster 6a 1123 DEARN Betsy Butler Leominster 6a 1123 Palmer Martha Maria Leominster 6a 1123 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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20 May 2019 19:04 |
Sorry if I am repeating, I may have missed it
First name(s) MARY ANN Last name SEAL Birth year 1851 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Underwood District Weobley County Herefordshire Country England Volume XXVI Page 239
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ArgyllGran
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20 May 2019 18:50 |
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DAVIES, SAMUEL mms PRICE GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in WEOBLEY Volume 06A Page 409
or this one ??
DAVIES, SAMUEL - GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in LEOMINSTER Volume 06A Page 454
Floundering, looking for links:
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Martha Harry [ Harvy, I think ] in the 1871 England Census Name: Martha Harry Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1842 Relation: Stepdaughter Mother's name: Elizabeth Bridgwaters Gender: Female Where born: Abby Misley, Herefordshire, England [ Aymestrey ] Civil Parish: Luston County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Leominster Sub-registration district: Kingsland ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 116 Piece: 2718 Folio: 59 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Edward Bridgwaters 70 Elizabeth Bridgwaters 61 Martha Harry 29 - dressmaker, married
1881 census (previously posted) says Martha M Davies, Samuel's wife, was born "Aystree" (Aymestrey).
Wrong reg district, and wrong middle initial - but will post in case:
??? PALMER, MARTHA ELIZABETH - GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 259
??? Edward Bridgewaters in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Edward Bridgewaters Registration Year: 1866 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Leominster Inferred County: Herefordshire Volume: 6a Page: 1084 Records on Page: Name Edward Bridgewaters Elizabeth Palmer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Susan
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20 May 2019 18:26 |
P.S on the 1871 Census it is difficult ro read but possibly lists Mary Ann Seale born Kings Pyon
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