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His parents marriage?

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
BARTER Anne Mary Amelia Southampton 2c 29 Scan available - click to view
Smith Frederic Leopold S Hampton 2c 29 Scan available - click to view

Ann's christening:

Ann Mary Amelia Barter
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1829
Birth Place: Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Thomas Barter
Mother: Maria
Baptism Date: 10 May 1829
Baptism Place: Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England
Denomination: Independent
Piece Title: Piece 0719: Fordingbridge (Independent), 1795-1837


And her parents marriage

Maria Ganaway
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1818
Marriage Place: Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England
Spouse: Thomas Barter
FHL Film Number: 1041294
Reference ID: 2:3V5011R

Frederick's christening:
Frederic Leopold Smith
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1819
Baptism Place: St. Mary's, Reading, Berkshire, England
Father: Thomas Smith
Mother: Sarah Smith
FHL Film Number: 1279467

His probate:
Frederic Leopold Smith
Death Date: 28 Jul 1893
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 22 Aug 1893
Probate Registry: London, England

Of 23 Stanley road, West Green, Tottenham, died Edmonton workhouse, probate to Anne Mary Amelia his widow - £107 3s 3d

Frederick with his parents in 1891?

Frederick B Smith
Gender: Male
Age: 34
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1857
Father: Frederick L Smith
Mother: Annie M A Smith
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
Residence Place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1076
Folio: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick L Smith 72
Annie M A Smith 59
Frederick B Smith 34 (painter, writer & decorator)
Ernest Smith 24 (postman)
Edward G Smith 20(ironmongers assistant)

& in 1881:

Frederic B. Smith
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Frederic L. Smith
Mother: Anne M. A. Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: London Bow, London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 10 Christchurch Terrace
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Painter
Registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 639
Folio: 87
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederic L. Smith 61
Anne M. A. Smith 48
Frederic B. Smith 25
Ernest E. Smith 15
Edward G. Smith 10

Malyon- that's a different Victor. Details of the Victor connected with this family are posted above- he died 1914.

Private
SMITH, VICTOR GEORGE
Service Number G/34590

Died 29/04/1917

Aged 21

11th Bn.
Middlesex Regiment

Son of George William and Elizabeth Smith, of 60, Chiswick Rd., Lower Edmonton, London.

Googled for what an "occasional copy " might be and this came up

"These are going to be instances where the original registration has been amended in some way, requiring an “occasional copy” to be sent to the Registrar General (ie to supersede the original Quarterly Certified Copy).

They won’t be late registrations, which would be sent in with the Quarterly Certified returns for the relevant quarter."

WOW!!!! JUST WOW!¬!!!

You have all been incredibly wonderful to take out the time to help me with this. im forever greatful. My nan will be so thrilled knowing this information, especially the stories of runaways !! CRAZY!!!

Great finds AustinQ and Flip :-)

First name(s) FREDERIC BARTER
Last name SMITH
Birth year 1854
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Barter
District London City
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Page 74

OK, so the children we have are

Maud Smith:
SMITH, MAUD EVANS
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 447

Victor Smith- killed in action 1914:
SMITH, GEORGE BARTER FREDERICK VICTOR EVANS
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 345

Reginald Smith - died 1900 aged 14 months:
SMITH, REGINALD CLIFFORD DOMINIE EVANS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 774

Ada Smith:
SMITH, ADA -
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 196 Occasional Copy: A

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Can't see a birth for an Edna Smith- and 1911 census says Elizabeth had 4 children. So, either Edna was born before her marriage to Frederick, or she was born after 1911 census (or 1911 info incorrect?)

Never heard of an "Occasional Copy" before, but it's certainly looks to fit the bill for her. All this looks promising for Elizabeth though, and the family you've found AQ.

This is likely Elizabeth in 1911- married 17yrs, 4 children, 3 still living

1911 Census For England & Wales

London Road Ashford Middex, Stanwell, Middlesex & Surrey, England

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Smith
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Age 39
Birth year 1872
Birth place Hampstead Middlesex
Occupation Surgical Iknstrument Maker
Street London Road
Address London Road Ashford Middex
Parish Stanwell
County Middlesex, Surrey
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Staines
Registration district number 126
Enumeration district 14
District number 14

This article is likely re Ada's mum:

Middlesex Chronicle - Saturday 27 March 1915
Elizabeth Smith (44), laundress, no fixed abode, was charged with breaking a pane of glass, value 3s. 6d., in a window of the casual ward, at the Staines Workboase, on the 18th of March. Porter Frank Bristow said prisoner was admitted to the casual ward on theefeniogo* March 17th, and next morning on to the ward be found a pane of glass in one of the windows bad been broken. Prisoner was standing near and she said she had broken it because she was driven to it.— Smith said she was turned out of the House to get work but could not get any, and the Relieving Officer refused to give her order to back. He would only give her an order for the tramps ward, and she broke the window so that she might get shelter in prison. —Porter Bristow said the woman had been in the Staines Workhouse since 1909, and during the last three years had been a great trouble She '* made the ballets for other less capable inmates to fire.” She was a most capable woman and could easily get work if she chose to do it. She bad been turned out of the House to get work, but came back through the casual ward. On September 7tb last year she was charged at Brentford Police Court with failing to perform her alloted task at the Brentford Workhouse and was sent prisou for one moneb.—Prisoner said she was put in charge of some old people and she refused to wash them as they were suffering from a contagious disease —Smith was now sent to prison for one month with hard labour.

I suspect this is it (but no maiden name listed- not sure if this is because it's an Occasional Copy??):

SMITH, ADA -
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 196 Occasional Copy: A
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Not finding anything concrete on what Occasional copy A means, although it seems to be some amendment of the record- the original would remain in the index.
The only thing I see is this record- which was entered in 1914 (the year she was also christened)- but nothing to indicate it is a late or amended entry -so may not be connected:

Births Mar 1914
SMITH Ada L Evans Lambeth 1d 709

I would hope that if the 1901 certificate were ordered that it would become clear?

It certainly looks good AQ - have you managed to find Ada's birth with mmn Evans? I may have missed it but can find Maud's but not Ada's.

and....

Middlesex Chronicle - Saturday 14 November 1914

Family Desertion. Frederick Barter Smith (63), painter, of no fixed abode, was charged on a warrant with running away and leaving his wife and two children, whereby they became chargeable to the common fund the Staines Union.— Prisoner pleaded guilty.—Ernest T. Herrington, Master at the Staines Union, said the prisoner’s wife and two children were admitted to the Workhouse on October 7th, 1909, and they had been there practically ever since. One girl was sent out to service, and the wife and one child still remained chargeable The cost to the Guardians was about £loo.—Prisoner said had twice made a fresh home and had started to take his family out of the workhouse, but something had upset his arrangements each time. Unfortunately, his wife was not much help to him, and she was getting grey, she could not work. He had been working at a Salvation Army Shelter since March, but received no pay, and could not keep his family.—Mr. Herrington said there was a certain amount of truth in what the man had said. His wife was no doubt a vixen. They had discharged her from the workhouse on one occasion in order to trace him, but could not so.—Prisoner said he was very sorry for deserting his family, but he could not keep them.—The Chairman ; Yee, the ratepayers are very sorry thev have had to keep them. —Warrant-officer £)sborne said he knew the man very well, and although he had chased him all over London, had never been able to arrest him on the warrant, which was granted in 1912. In 1909 Smith went to prison for a fortnight for similar offence. In 1910 he was wanted again, and witness told him to surrender at the Court, and he did so. He was told to take hie wife and children out of the workhouse, but did not do so, and witness had had great trouble tracing him. His wife was 20 years younger than prisoner, and able get work where the man could not, but she would not take it. He had made fresh homes for his family at Isleworth and Twickenham, but had only lived in them a few weeks.—Smith was sent to prison for six weeks.
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Frederick in 1911 (listed as single, but seams to be him)

Name: Frederick Smith
Age in 1911: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John
County/Island: London
Street address: Salvation Army Shelter, St Ann's Street, Westminster
Marital status: Single
Occupation: PAINTER
Registration district: St George, Hanover Square
Registration District Number: 5
Sub-registration district: St Margaret and St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 28-43
Piece: 493
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I'm pretty confident this is Ada's family

Ahh yes- it does appear to be the correct family. They also had a child Clifford Reginald Domonic Smith- he died when he was just 14 months. I suspect this the Reginald you refer to:

Ealing Gazette and West Middlesex Observer - Saturday 22 September 1900

INQUEST AT HANWELL. An inquest was held at the "Royal Victoria," Boston-road, Hanwell, on Tuesday morning last, by Reginald Kemp, F.sq., the Deputy Coroner for West Middlesex, touching the death of a child named Clifford Reginald Dominic Smith, aged 14 months, the son of Frederick Barter Smith, of Hanwell. The jury were sworn as follows: Wm. E. Knapp, Sydney Crabtree, Geo. Seward, Geo. Hindmarsh, Wm. Clarke, Lewis Irons, Joseph Roberts, Thos A. Scott. Thos. Money, Wm. Field, S. Rumpf, F. G. Moore, and Chas. Dare. The father of the child, who desired to be sworn on the Four Gospels, identified the body as that of his child, which, he said, was a healthy child until he came from Wandsworth to Hansen, which was some three or four months ago. He presumed the illness was due to teething and the air. The child had fits, and the services of Dr. Maitland were called in, and under his care the health of the child improved. On the previous Thursday evening, its breathing beeame bad, but not sufficiently bad to excite alarm. However, he went to 1)r. Maitland, and explained the symptoms to him, and he gave him a bottle of medicine, and that certainly did the child a good deal of good. lie arranged with the doctor to call the following morning but his child died that morning.—Mrs. Smith, wife of the previous witness, corroborated.—Dr. Maitland give evidence that he had made a pal-mortem, and found the cause of death was due to pneumonia, which the child had evidently suffered from for u fortnight. Ile thought it was very doubtful that he could have saved the child's life if lie bad been called iu before.—A verdict in accordance with the medical evidence was returned.

I've been looking at this as the possible family of Victor, Maud and Ada above:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Victoria Cottages, 3, Hanwell, Brentford, Middlesex, England
Frederick B Smith Head Married Male 45 1856 House Painter Grainer & Writer City of London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 30 1871 - London, Middlesex, England
George B F V Smith Son Single Male 6 1895 - Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Maud Smith Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Edmonton
Ada Smith Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Hanwell
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Births:
SMITH, GEORGE BARTER FREDERICK VICTOR (mmn: EVANS)
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 345
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Marriage of Frederick and Elizabeth:
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a Page: 641
Records on Page:
Name
Elizabeth Evans
Freceric Barter Smith
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Frederick's burial:
Name: Frederick Barter Smith
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1933
Burial or Cremation Date: 16 Mar 1933
Burial or Cremation Place: Lewisham, London, England
Age 78
No occupation
Address where death occurred: 82 Ladywell Road

Yes, i think the marriage certificate is the first step.

Wondering if any of this is connected.

This child was Christened in 1914. The majority of the entries on the page also include birth dates- Ada's is left empty- so perhaps she was an older child as opposed to a baby. For parents- unknown was written first and then crossed out. The address is given as 4 Montague Avenue- this I think was a children's home.

Name: Ada Lavinia Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Jun 1914
Baptism Place: St James, Alperton, Brent, England
Father: Frederick Smith
Mother: Elizabeth Smith
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In 1911 there is this Ada- on the same page there is a Maud Smith aged 14 also born in Feltham:

Name: Ada Smith
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Feltham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Stanwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Staines Union Workhouse, London Road, Ashford, Middx
Occupation: School Girl
Registration district: Staines
Registration District Number: 126
Sub-registration district: Staines
ED, institution, or vessel: 14-15
Piece: 6757
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Then there is this service record for Victor Smith- who was killed in action 22/11/1914. His service record gives his next of kin as Father: Frederick- Staines Union, Staines. Mother: Elizabeth.
The record contradicts itself later when a declaration is made by his old school master declaring that he knows of no living relatives for Victor. His DOB is given as 7th March 1895 Tottenham. He enrolled in 1911 from Kent County Council Industrial School Ashford

British Army Service Records
First name(s) Victor
Last name Smith
Age 16
Birth year 1895
Birth town :Tottenham
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 10187
Regiment East Surrey Regiment
Unit / Battalion 1st, 3rd Battalion
Year 1911
Residence town Ashford

So it does say W for widow for Elizabeth, I missed that Flip :-)

According to the image for 1939 register, Elizabeth Smith was a widow. Harry J had been living at that address since the 1920s, along with Ada in the 1930s. The ER goes up to 1962 on ancestry - he is recorded at the golf club cottage right up to 1962. With him are Charles A, Frederick G & Harry L. In 1956 there was also Mary V (your nan) and Ada.

I think you are going to need Ada's marriage certificate to get their fathers names & occupations.

Really can't narrow it down without the marriage cert, the Victors who died in WW1 don't seem to tie in with the names of other siblings and can eliminate some of them , and I can't find for instance, an Edna and Maud together on 1901 or 1911 census

eg I thought Victor might possibly be this one who died in ww1 but there are no siblings with him here

1911 Census For England & Wales
60 Chiswick Road Lower Edmonton, Edmonton, Middlesex, England


George William Smith Head Married Male 38 1873 Printing Machine Minder London Clerkenwell
Elizabeth Smith Wife Married Female 38 1873 - London Clerkenwell
Victor George Smith Son Single Male 15 1896 Printing Machine Apprentice London Islington