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Marian
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18 May 2019 18:02 |
Unfortunately, I don't have the marriage certificate. I don't know anything about him. I am now assuming he stayed in Canada and Louisa probably went back there after her visit home.
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ArgyllGran
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18 May 2019 18:06 |
Re Louisa's son Harold, born 4/07/1915 per Maddie's post -
??? I don't see a birth in England for this Harold below, so he may be Louisa's son, with DOB a year out:
Harold Morton in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Harold Morton Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 4 Jul 1914 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Residence Year: 1939 Address: 8 Brown Edge Residence Place: Buxton, Derbyshire, England Occupation: Minestone Quarrying (Filler) Above Ground (H W Schedule Number: 122 Sub Schedule Number: 4 Enumeration District: RBFD Registration district: 440-1 Household Members: Name Susan E Mock Phyllis Smeeds Joan Morton - 2 Dec 1918 Harold Morton
Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%) Mock Joan W Morton Chapel-le-F. 7b 2219 Morton Harold Mock Chapel-le-F. 7b 2219
There are births of two Morton/Mock daughters, one in Chapel-le-Frith in 1939, and one in Falmouth in 1951.
On the 1939 register, Joan's surname was changed to Rodger - change noted 27/9/55 GLW.
Marriages Mar 1953 (>99%) MOCK Joan W RODGER Falmouth 7a 73 MORTON Joan W RODGER Falmouth 7a 73 Rodger James Morton Falmouth 7a 73 Rodger James Mock Falmouth 7a 73
Joan Winifred Rodger in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Joan Winifred Rodger Death Age: 72 Birth Date: 2 Dec 1918 Registration Date: May 1991 Registration district: Truro Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 21 Page: 594
??? James Rodger in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: James Rodger Death Age: 63 Birth Date: 5 Aug 1927 Registration Date: Oct 1990 Registration district: St Austell Inferred County: Cornwall Volume: 21 Page: 434
Harold Morton in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Harold Morton Death Age: 64 Birth Date: 4 Jul 1914 Registration Date: Apr 1979 [May 1979] [Jun 1979] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: High Peak Inferred County: Derbyshire Volume: 6 Page: 1016
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18 May 2019 18:14 |
To save confusion:
Harold in Derbyshire in 1939 is NOT this Harold with same DOB:
Births Sep 1914 (>99%) Morton Harold H Dent Aston 6d 1141
That one's in Essex in 1939:
Harold H Morton in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Harold H Morton Gender: Male Marital status: Single Birth Date: 14 Jun 1914 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 142 Residence Place: Ilford, Essex, England Occupation: Heavy Lorry Driver Schedule Number: 105 Sub Schedule Number: 3 Enumeration District: CCXO Registration district: 191-2 Household Members: Name Fred Taylor Gladys M Taylor Harold H Morton
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Marian
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18 May 2019 18:26 |
Hello, as a reminder, Roy Gordon Morton born Dec q 1918 at Chapel en le Frith (Derbyshire) maiden name Byers and a Thomas, March q 1920 maiden name Byers. This would make Louisa 45 ish when Thomas was born. Now wondering if names are just a coincidence. Thanks for the above.
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ArgyllGran
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18 May 2019 18:34 |
There's only the one Morton/Byers marriage 1900-1939, so can't be a coincidence.
This must be Roy's death, with DOB a year out:
Roy Gordon Morton in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Roy Gordon Morton Death Age: 59 Birth Date: 14 Dec 1919 Registration Date: Jul 1979 [Aug 1979] [Sep 1979] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Stoke on Trent Inferred County: Staffordshire Volume: 30 Page: 1485
I don't see him in 1939.
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ArgyllGran
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18 May 2019 18:49 |
Deaths Sep 1957 (>99%) MORTON Louisa 82 Chapel-le-F. 10a 667
??? Deaths Jun 1921 (>99%) Morton Arthur E 50 Chapel-le-F. 7b 737
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Marian
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18 May 2019 20:56 |
Just logged back on. Thank you so much. So they did all come back to England, brill.
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Marian
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18 May 2019 21:55 |
Margaret, thank you also, seem to have missed you out.
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ErikaH
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19 May 2019 00:09 |
If you look at the immigration record, as I advised, you will see that Arthur was to be deported
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AustinQ
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19 May 2019 07:44 |
Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
name(s) Thomas Morton Birth year 1920 Age 22 Death year 1942 Death date 24 Jul 1942 Number 4461965 Rank Private Unit 11th Bn. Regiment Durham Light Infantry Grave reference Grave 3334. Cemetery or Memorial Buxton Cemetery Burial country United Kingdom Additional information Son of A. E. Morton and Louisa Morton, of Buxton. Link https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead War Second World War, 1939-1945
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AustinQ
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19 May 2019 07:48 |
1939 register:
144 Brown Edge, Buxton M.B., Derbyshire, England
Louisa Morton 14 Aug 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed Arthur Morton 02 Jun 1912 Male Weigh Clerk Single The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed. ------------------------------
Death of this Arthur: First name(s) ARTHUR CECIL Last name MORTON Gender Male Birth 2 June 1912 Death quarter 2 Death year 1972 District Chapel En Le Frith County Derbyshire Volume 10A Page 1786/S Country England
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19 May 2019 07:50 |
deaths:
First name(s) LOUISA Last name MORTON Birth year 1875 Death year 1957 Age 82 Place Buxton County Derbyshire Country England Register entry BD/G1-10/047 Register office High Peak Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index
First name(s) ARTHUR ERNEST Last name MORTON Birth year 1871 Death year 1921 Age 50 Place Buxton County Derbyshire Country England Register entry - Register office 395 Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index
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AustinQ
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19 May 2019 08:19 |
A nice article mentioning the Morton boys here (Also has photo of Harold): Buxton Advertiser - Friday 09 November 1951
Peakland Bandsmen: Mr Harold Morton
WHEN BROWN EDGE HAD ITS OWN BRASS BAND
M'EMBER of Buxton British Legion Band, Mr. Harold Morton, of 144, Brown Edge Road, began his musical career in a rather unusual way. He started in 1932 at the age 17 when a dozen interested Brown Edge men got together and decided to form a Brown Edge Band. They bought second-hand instruments on the hire purchase system as many a struggling band has had to do. When the instruments arrived they were laid out in the Morton's family garage and all made their choice. Unfortunately young Harold was not there at the time and when he arrived all that was left was a bass trombone. Couched by Mr F Harris, a musician well known locally, Harold persevered and the band, conducted by the late J T Davies prospered. In the summer they rehearsed in the garden and in the winter in the garage. In the band were the four brothers of the Morton family, with Arthur on tenor horn, Roy cornet, Tommy cornet and, of course, Harold bass trombone. With the coming of hard times in Buxton some members lost their jobs, money was short, the installments not paid, and the firm took the instruments back. The Morton brothers joined Buxton Borough Band, which was also at that time in a precarious position. When the band broke up at the outset of war Mr. Morton and bandmaster Mr. Arthur Slack joined the Home Guard Band. Recalling his service with the Home Guard Band, Mr. Morton says that when the band had an engagement the motor coach used to pick him up at Brook House comer. One fateful -summer’s day the coach lor Chinjgy came an hour earlier than he expected. In full uniform and under a blazing sun, he hitch-hiked to Chapel, then walked to Chinley and then attempted to find Bux worth. He finally staggered on to the field just in time to join in playing the last march. While playing for the Home Guard Band Mr. Morton also helped train ’teen-age players in the former Buxton Sea Cadets’ Band. He played in the band itself on public occasions. was fitted out with a uniform and became “The oldest Sea Cadet in Buxton.’* After the war Mr. Morton moved to Falmouth for two years and played with Falmouth Town Band. On his return to Buxton he joined the British Legion Band, for whom he plays the double bass and bass trombone. A regular attender at rehearsals ("They send out a search party if I don’t turn up"), Mr. Morton is aged 38. and as a change from blowing an instrument likes to play the piano accordian.
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ArgyllGran
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19 May 2019 09:16 |
So the first son Arthur (4th qr 1909 Middlesborough) must have died in Canada, in 1911 or 1912, and then Arthur Cecil was born in Canada and named after his brother.
The first Arthur is with his family on the 1911 Canada census, and the second on the 1916 census - both posted on page 1.
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Arthur Morton in the Web: Manitoba, Death Index, 1871-1947 Name: Arthur Morton Age: 2 Birth Date: abt 1909 Death Date: 4 Nov 1911 Death Place: Wpg, Manitoba, Canada
Arthur Morton in the Canada, Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Name: Arthur Morton Death Date: 4 Nov 1911 Cemetery: Brookside Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Winnipeg, Greater Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Has Bio?: N
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19 May 2019 14:55 |
This man's details have been scored through. The name may be Morton - it's hard to read. Can this be Arthur Ernest ??
Arthur E Morten Canada Passenger Lists Name Arthur E Morten Event Type Immigration Event Date Sep 1917 Event Place Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Gender Female Ship Name Carmania
He was on a Nominal Roll of Men to be Discharged in Canada: Party of Medically Unfits sailing from Liverpool on strength of CCAC. [ Canadian Casualty Assembly Centre ]
Rank: Sgt Number: might be 71126 Reason for Discharge: Section 25. Residence: Winnipeg. Occupation: Machinist.
EDIT - but there's at least one other Arthur Morton from Winnipeg in the army.
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Marian
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19 May 2019 16:50 |
Thank you all for the above, the newspaper item was especially interesting.
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