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Finished my "roll" for the moment, Dea - have to go out!



Oh, but just before I do -


There's always the possibility that this is William's baptism, rather than the 1771 one I posted above, if the 1841 census was way out on age, in which case this would make William Christopher's brother ?? But just conjecture and grasping at straws.


William Brewer
England Births and Christenings
Name William Brewer
Residence Place Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 30 Aug 1778
Christening Date (Original) 30 Aug 1778
Christening Place St. Nicholas', Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name John Brewer
Mother's Name Susanna

If this is your Christopher, he's presumably related, though not the same immediate family - but of course it's just a possibility that this is the man you're looking for.



England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
15 September 1776
Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
residence:
Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
father:
John Brewer
mother:
Susanna

Henry 1805 and Susan(nah) had several children, one with middle name Christopher:

England Births and Christenings
Name William Christopher Brewer
Residence Place Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 1803
Christening Date (Original) 24 MAY 1803
Christening Place ST. NICHOLAS, YARMOUTH, NORFOLK, ENGLAND
Birth Date 1803
Father's Name William Brewer
Mother's Name Susan Kemp



Possibility for William's baptism ???


William Brewer
England Births and Christenings
Name William Brewer
Residence Place Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 17 Nov 1771
Christening Date (Original) 17 Nov 1771
Christening Place St. Nicholas', Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name William Brewer
Mother's Name Ann


William and Susan(nah) in 1841 with daughter Harriet - and age a bit out, if the above baptism is correct:

William Brewer
in the 1841 England Census
Name: William Brewer
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1766
Gender: Male
Where born: Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
Hundred: Great Yarmouth
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Great Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Southern
Neighbors:
Piece: 794
Book: 5
Folio: 28
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brewer 75 - mariner
Susan Brewer 68
Harriet Brewer 25

You seem to be 'on a roll' A.G. - I will take a break and return later.

Just wanted to point out though that there is no such place as 'Lane' in Lancashire - what the 1911 actually says for Susan's place of birth is 'Lanc. (short for Lancashire), Blackpool"

Dea x

Marriage of parents of Henry 1805:



William Brewer
England, Norfolk Bishop's Transcripts
Name William Brewer
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Apr 1791
Event Place Archdeaconry of Norwich, Norfolk, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Susannah Kemp



William Brewer
mentioned in the record of William Brewer and Susannah Kemp
Name William Brewer
Spouse's Name Susannah Kemp
Event Date 17 Apr 1791
Event Place Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Henry Brewer
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Brewer
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Brewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth
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County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Yarmouth
Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 361
Piece: 1806
Folio: 569
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brewer 46 - mariner
Eliza Brewer 42
Emily Brewer 20
Henry Cohen 29



Elizabeth Knights
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Knights
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 4 Nov 1827
Marriage Place: St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Spouse: Henry Brewer
FHL Film Number: 1526456

Henry senior's baptism:

Henry Kemp Brewer
in the Norfolk, England, Transcripts of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935
Name: Henry Kemp Brewer
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 30 Nov
Baptism Date: 3 Dec 1805
Baptism Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father: Wm Brewer
Mother: Susan Kemp

Richard's birth:

BREWER, RICHARD BREWER -
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 13 Page 506



Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Brewer Henry Kemp Yarmouth 13 975
Goodwin Harriet G Yarmouth


Henry was a mariner, and his father was also named Henry Kemp Brewer, mariner.
Harriet's father was Richard Goodwin, beachman.

Henry Kemp Braver
in the Norfolk, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1940
Name: Henry Kemp Braver
[Henry Kemp Brewer]
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1849
Marriage Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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Father: Henry Kemp Braver
Spouse: Harriet Goodwin

???

Richard G Brewer
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Richard G Brewer
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1848
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Kemp Brewer
Mother's name: Harriet Brewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Gorleston, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Hull Holy Trinity
Town: Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 3593
Folio: 112
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Kemp Brewer 33
Harriet Brewer 33
Richard G Brewer 13
Susanna Brewer 7
Henry K Brewer 2
George W Brewer Under 1

The image of the 1891 census says that Richard was born in "Golston" (ie - Gorleston), Suffolk.

So this will be him in 1851 ( EDIT: with his maternal grandfather and aunt) :

Richard Brewer
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Richard Brewer
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Gorleston, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Gorleston
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County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Kessingland
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 1805
Folio: 566
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Goodwin 48 - widower, pilot
Ann Goodwin 15 - daughter
Richard Brewer 2




1901 - John not with the family:

Richard Brewer
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Richard Brewer
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sarah A Brewer
Birth Place: Golston Nr Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: Newington St John the Baptist
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: Hessle
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 4476
Folio: 131
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Brewer 53
Sarah A Brewer 49
Sarah L Brewer 15
Ethel Brewer 11


1871 -

Richard Brewer
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Richard Brewer
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah A Brewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Kingston upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 172
Piece: 4792
Folio: 70
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Brewer 23
Sarah A Brewer 19
Harriet A Brewer 1

How do you know he was born in Lane, Blackpool area? Have you found him in censuses ?

I think you need to get John & Susan's marriage cert to see what his father's name was, which might help to trace John before his marriage.

There's no John Brewer c1883 showing up on any census that I can see , with birth in Blackpool, although there are several in Lancashire.

But he may not have been born in Lancashire - unless you have proof otherwise?


EDIT:
Have just seen Dea's post above, posted at virtually the same time as mine, showing parents and birthplace.

This is 'your' John in 1891 - he was born in Hull, not Lancashire:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Beecroft Street, Newington, Sculcoates, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Brewer Head Married Male 43 1848 Fisherman Suffolk, England
Sarah A Brewer Wife Married Female 39 1852 - Yorkshire, England
George W Brewer Son - Male 16 1875 Fisher Lad Yorkshire, England
Sarah A Brewer Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Yorkshire, England
John R Brewer Son - Male 8 1883 - Yorkshire, England
Laura L Brewer Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Yorkshire, England
Ethel B Brewer Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Yorkshire, England


Parents marriage:

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Brewer Richard Hull 9d 379 Scan available - click to view
STAFF Sarah Ann Hull 9d 379 Scan available - click to view


His birth reg:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BREWER, JOHN RICHARD STAFF
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 248

There is a Seaman's record to be found on National Archives for him. It states his date of birth as 27/2/84 (which is a year out) and his place of birth as Hull.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8510359


Name Brewer, John Richard Place of Birth: Hull, Yorkshire Number: DA 2820 ...
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Reference: BT 377/7/49294
Description:
Name Brewer, John Richard
Place of Birth: Hull, Yorkshire
Number: DA 2820
Date of Birth: 27 February 1884
Date: [1908-1955]
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

I am certain it is him as the address on those records is 9 Westbourne Terrace, Hull which is where Susan and the children were living on 1939 index.

He joined the Navy in January 1915 and was away 'fighting the war' pretty much until it ended in 1919 when he seems to have gone into the Naval Reserve.

He got the 14-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory medal.

Dea x

Thank you All soo much Would you mind giving me the parents of John Brewer b.1883 Lane Blackpool. My main object is getting tree back to that Christopher Brewer above So I can prove tree line for descendants . Thanks

Death of husband John


Deaths Mar 1929

Brewer John 48 Sculcoates 9d 436

1939 Register


Brewer Household (5 People)

9 Westbourne Ter, Westbourne Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England


Lewis S Brewer Male 26 Nov 1919 Fish Cleaner At Fried Fish Shop Single 73 2
George E Brewer Male 26 Apr 1916 Fisherman Deck Hand Single 73 1
Kenneth G Brewer Male 15 Apr 1921 Barrow Lad Fish Dock Single 73 3

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Susan M R C D Brewer Female 10 Mar 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 73 5

SilviaCanada for your sad story Sorry R.I,P hears another one That John Richard Goodwin Brewer was killed on H.M.S. Fife 1940 and is on the Memorial at Lowestoft The wife and I went to Great Yarmouth and caught a bus and payed our respects Thanks again for your help. If your bored have a look at The Battle of Trafalger crew list for Christopher Brewer b. 1775 He was on H.M.S. Minotaur and did The Nile and Copenhagen as well. Then if you go on Google and look at the Old H.M.S. Minotaur there a very sad story on there about what happened on it's way back. ..

Thank you safc and MargaretM They must have just fancied the name or been drunk at the time Thanks again

Here's the GRO Index record for John b.ca 1909

BREWER, JOHN RICHARD GOODWIN mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 692


Children born .........

1. BREWER, John Richard 1909

2. BREWER William H 1911

3. BREWER George W 1914
4. BREWER Leslie 1914

5. BREWER George E 1915

6. BREWER Lewis S Sculcoates 1919

7. BREWER Kenneth G 1921

8. BREWER Morris D 1924

9. BREWER Ruby 1927


Deaths .............

BREWER, GEORGE WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 189

BREWER, LESLIE 0
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 172

BREWER, MORRIS DOUGLAS 1
GRO Reference: 1924 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 167



There is a 4 year gap between George and Lewis. I wonder if mother had a still-born child during that time?? That child would not be registered either as born or died, but to her it would count as the 6th child, and Lewis as the 7th child. Giving Lewis the middle name Septimus would be one way of recognising that there had been a child who died.



We have something similar in OH's ancestors. His gt gt grandfather and grandmother had 20 children, although all descendants have a story that there were 21 children born .......... with number 20 dying and another child born after that to make "20 twice" (the family joke!!!).

I can find no trace of 21 children being born, and no sign in the Parish Register of burial. There is a gap of 27 months between number 19 and number 20 children.

There is a hint however that there might be some truth to the family story in that child number 20 has a forename that is sometimes seen as the Latin for 21, and also has 2 other forenames ......... no previous child had more than one forename.

My suspicion is that mother had a late miscarriage or maybe even a still birth in between. I tend to be against a still birth however, as they were a quite wealthy family, well-known in the area, and it is known that many midwives would swear that a baby took 2 breaths before dying and then they would do an emergency "citizen baptism" that would allow the child to be buried in the church yard ........... in which case there would be a record in the Parish Register.

This would seem to suggest that Lewis was the 6th. son counting the one on the 1911 census born 1909:


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)

BREWER William H Morris Sculcoates 9d 288

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)

BREWER George W Morris Sculcoates 9d 278
BREWER Leslie Morris Sculcoates 9d 277

Births Jun 1915 (>99%)

BREWER George E Morris Sculcoates 9d 309

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)

Brewer Lewis S Morris Sculcoates 9d 309

Births Jun 1921 (>99%)

Brewer Kenneth G Morris Sculcoates 9d 309

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)

Brewer Morris D Morris Sculcoates 9d 233


Births Jun 1927 (>99%)

Brewer Ruby Morris Sculcoates 9d 275

No don't have cert but he did go to sea as fisherman. I've been told