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That’s great. Thank you Erika

Baptised in the Priory Church

Baptism: 29 Sep 1822 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Hannah Brockelbank - Daughter of Henry Brockelbank & Betty
Born: 10 Sep 1822
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1824, Page 180, Entry 1439
Source: FHL Film 1526146

Siblings?
Baptism: 18 Feb 1816 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Isabella Brocklebank - Daughter of Henry Brocklebank & Elizabeth
Born: 18 Jan 1816
Abode: Lancaster
Occupation: Ser'tman
Baptised by: J. Manby, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1818, Page 161, Entry 1281
Source: LDS Film 1526146

Baptism: 29 Mar 1818 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Betsy Brockelbank - Daughter of Henry Brockelbank & Elizabeth
Born: 7 Mar 1818
Abode: Lancaster
Occupation: Servant
Baptised by: Geo. Morland, Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1818, Page 266, Entry 2122
Source: LDS Film 1526146

Baptism: 20 Aug 1819 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Martha Brocklebank - Daughter of Henry Brocklebank & Betty
Born: 3 Jul 1819
Abode: lancs
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: G Morland, officiating minister
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1824, Page 29, Entry 230
Source: FHL Film 1526146

Baptism: 3 Sep 1820 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Thomas Brocklebank - Son of Henry Brocklebank & Elizabeth
Born: 9 Aug 1820
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1824, Page 80, Entry 640
Source: FHL Film 1526146

Baptism: 3 Nov 1825 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Jane Brocklebank - Dau of Henry Brocklebank & Elizabeth
Born: 11 Oct 1825
Abode: Lancr.
Occupation: Servant
Baptised by: J. Turner
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 37, Entry 296
Source: LDS Film 1526146

Baptism: 25 Sep 1829 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Mary Brockelbank - Dau of Henry Brockelbank & Elizabeth
Born: 2 Sep 1829
Abode: Lancr.
Occupation: Servant
Baptised by: J. Manby, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1831, Page 227, Entry 1809
Source: LDS Film 1526146

Possible marriage for parents?

Marriage: 24 Dec 1814 St Michael, Cockerham, Lancashire, England
Henry Brockelbank - Coachman, the parish of Kirkham
Elizabeth Haslehurst - Spinster, the parish of Cockerham
Witness: Margaret Wright; Chris Bush
Married by Banns by: J. Widditt, Vicar
Notes: with consent of Friends
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1834, Page 16, Entry 48
Source: LDS Film 1278859

Cockerham is very close to Lancaster

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Thanks Argyll Gran. That takes me back another generation
Glyn

James B Davies
in the 1871 England Census
Name: James B Davies
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Davies
Mother's name: Hannah Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Walton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bootle St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 3833
Folio: 95
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Davies 51
Hannah Davies 46
James B Davies 20 - Broker's clerk
Elizabeth Davies 16
Thomas H Davies 14
Margaret Davies 11
Elizabeth Stephens 18



James Davies
in the 1861 England Census
Name: James Davies
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Davies
Mother's name: Hannah Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 158
Piece: 2724
Folio: 19
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Davies 41 - Llandyssil, Cardiganshire
Hannah Davies 34 - Lancaster, Lancs.
James Davies 10
Mary Elizabeth Davies 6
Thomas H Davies 4
Margaret Davies 1
Letticia Evans 24


Hannah Brocklebank
in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Hannah Brocklebank
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 4 Apr 1848
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St David, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Brocklebank
Spouse: Thomas Davies


Hannah Brockelbank
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Hannah Brockelbank
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 10 Sep 1822
Christening Date: 29 Sep 1822
Christening Place: Lancaster, Lancashire, England
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Father: Henry Brockelbank
Mother: Betty Brockelbank

That makes sense Rambling. So James Brocklebank looks like the correct Davies, and I hope I can trace back from there.
Thanks for all your help and Shirley too
Glyn

Constance in 1891, her mother Mary L listed as Widow, census taken just after James B died apparently

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cambridge Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Mary Ellis Head Widow Female 71 1820 Yorkshire, England Own Means
Mary L Davies Daughter Widow Female 33 1858 Lancashire, England -
Thomas E Davies Grandson - Male 13 1878 Lancashire, England Scholar
Constance E Davies Granddaughter - Female 10 1881 Lancashire, England Scholar <<<<<
Mary E Evans Visitor Married Female 35 1856 Lanarkshire, Scotland -
Elizabeth A Lathand Servant Single Female 34 1857 Lancashire, England Cook Domestic
Elizabeth M Norsworth Servant Single Female 30 1861 Lancashire, England Housemaid Domestic

Divorce was very expensive back then, and so not an option for many. Quite possibly they did not divorce.

James brocklebank Davies died 1891 so it's possible Constance did not remember or know his occupation when she married?

I think it’s James Brocklebank Davies the same one as you found, but on the marriage certificate ( which I have now found!!) it says he’s a chemist not accountant, which is a bit odd. That’s why I wondered about the other Constance Evelyn Davies, but Brocklebank as a middle name seems unusual

On the other point, I’m not sure how you can find out if people back then were divorced. As both John and Nancy say they’re widowed, I’m assuming they didn’t divorce. Would you agree?

Glyn, I just put "Caless" in the 'quick search' in menu on left of page and scrolled down till I saw the thread.

You can find any threads you have posted by clicking on 'my threads' under 'Tools' at left of page.

So in answer to the question Shirley, they did “marry” in Jan 1915, but I don’t think John and Nancy ever divorced, because on the marriage certificate he says he’s a widower.

Yes Rambling
That’s the post. How did you find a reference number, because I just mentioned the people because I couldn’t see any ref no?

Previous thread re Caless

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1369887

"I've received the marriage certificate for John Caless and Constance Davies for 1915. He puts himself down as widower. "

So does that confirm that Constance's father is James B Davies?.

We have looked at this before because it's been ticked


Nancy Shan Caless
[Nancy Shaw Caless]
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1861
Death Date: 1935
Burial Date: 9 May 1935
Burial Place: Ford Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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She say she is a widow

View 1911 England Census
Name: Nancy S Caless
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Grantley Thorne
Civil Parish: Liverpool
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 60 Upper Hope Place, Liverpool
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: Private Means
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Abercromby
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 22187
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Smee 59
Elizabeth Smee 47
Nancy S Caless 50


Wonder if they did actually divorce ????

She didn't die till much later

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Nancy S Caless
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1861
Registration Date: Jun 1935
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 334


Wonder what John h gives as his marital status when he married Constance

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
6, Cambridge Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

John Ellis Head Married Male 69 1812 Retired Cabinet Maker Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Mary Ellis Wife Married Female 61 1820 Retired Cabinet Maker Wife Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Mary L Davies Daughter Married Female 23 1858 Accountants Wife Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James B Davies Son In Law Married Male 29 1852 Accountants Assistant Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas E Davies Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Constance E Davies Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England <<<<<<<
Mary E Davies Visitor Single Female 24 1857 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth M Unsworth Servant Single Female 22 1859 Housemaid Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Grant Servant Single Female 25 1856 Cook Domestic Liverpool, Lancashire, England

View 1901 England Census
Name: Nancy Shaw Caless
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Formby
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Formby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:church road

Occupation:living on own means

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Formby
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3532
Folio: 87
Page Number: 22
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age
Nancy Shaw Caless 39
Robert Docker 65 visitor

Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)

Davies James Brocklebank Liverpool 8b 373
Ellis Mary Louisa Liverpool 8b 373

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First name(s) Constance Evelyn
Last name Davies
Birth year -
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 28 May 1880
Baptism place Liverpool, St Catherine
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 82 Edge Lane
Father's first name(s) James B
Father's occupation Accountant
Mother's first name(s) Mary Louisa
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-CTN-2-1
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1831-1927
Page 217
Record set Lancashire Baptisms

He isn't with Nancy in 1901

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Name: John H Caless
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: West Derby
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Ecclesiastical parish: Stanley St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3500
Folio: 46
Page Number: 34
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie E Hughes 34
Francis May Hughes 4
Elsie L Hughes 3
Mary Herdman 62
Frederick C Hooker 24
Alfred E Hooker 20
Mary A Peart 27
Francis W Soames 24
John H Caless 38. Lodger occ commercial traveller