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Do you have them on a later census please?

Oh no ...I could have swore that they had a child
:-S

No Dee....THAT'S ABSOLUTLY FABULOUSE and it's helped heaps :-)

Cane, unless I've missed it there's no William born to Barber/Hayes on the GRO ?

Hello
So sorry that I did'nt venture back....I meant to but got carried away...Massive thanks to each and everyone of you for the Massive help on this one :-D
I need your help finding Emma on the 1861 Census.....Hubby went in the army so we know where he is
Emma born roughly 1835/36
Baby William born after 1854....Manchester
Thank you

Gwen - are you wanting to move forward on this ?

Dea x

Just a thought as I seem to have gone off on a tangent which doesn't seem to help you with a William who was born in 1855. - Who exactly are you following and how do they connect with your family please?

Is the connection the William born 1855 or the William who married Emma Hayes?

Thanks,

Dea x

This is the family of the William who married Emma Hayes:


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pump Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Barber Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England - Engineer.
Ann Barber Female 44 1797 Lancashire, England
John Barber Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
James Barber Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
William Barber Male 6 1835 Lancashire, England
Thomas Barber Male 5 1836 Lancashire, England
Charles Barber Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Barber Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Mary Barber Female 13 1828 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barber Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England


His sister Mary married a Samuel Smith and the couple were witnesses at William + Emma's wedding.

I have also traced that Mary to having a sister Elizabeth who married a John Bowman. - I haven's followed through to find out why but 2 of Mary's children were living with Elizabeth and John Bowman by 1871. - I will leave that for you to explore further.......

witnesses at William + Emma's wedding
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH Samuel BARBER Mary Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library MCR_RM/15/17




1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Parker Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Smith Head Married Male 25 1826 Book Binder Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Smith Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann M M Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 1 1850 - Manchester, Lancashire, England


SMITH, ANN MAUD MARY BARBER
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 20 Page 182


SMITH, EMILY BARBER
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 204


SMITH, MARY ELLEN ????? BARBER
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 200


SMITH, ELIZABETH AMELIA BARBER
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 193



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Homer Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Smith Head Married Male 34 1827 Paper Reeler Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Smith Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 11 1850 ... Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth A Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Esther Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary L Smith Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Emily Smith Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England




Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
Barber Elizabeth Manchester 20 713 Scan available - click to view
Bowman John Manchester 20 713 Scan available - click to view



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
City Road, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bowman Head - Male 45 1826 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bowman Wife - Female 41 1830 - Lancashire, England
Mary Bowman Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Lancashire, England
Sarah A Bowman Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Lancashire, England
Amelia Bowman Daughter - Female 16 1855 - Lancashire, England
John Bowman Son - Male 14 1857 - Lancashire, England
Charles Bowman Son - Male 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bowman Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England
Amy Bowman Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Jessie Bowman Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Louisa Bowman Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
Eda Bowman Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Lancashire, England
Ann Smith Niece - Female 22 1849 - Lancashire, England **********
Esther Smith Niece - Female 15 1856 - Lancashire, England ********
Esther Smith's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.


Dea x

is this williams 1st marriage
Marriage: 16 Apr 1848 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
William Barber - (X), of full age, Miner, Bachelor, Pendleton
Hannah Pollitt - (X), of full age, Spinster, Pendleton
Groom's Father: Thomas Barber, Moulder
Bride's Father: Samuel Pollitt, Weaver
Witness: James Holt; Alice Taylor, (X)
Married by Banns by: T. L. Key Officiating Minr.
Register: Marriages 1847 - 1848, Page 237, Entry 473
Source: Manchester Central Library

Burial: 20 May 1849 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Hannah Barber - Wife of William Barber
Age: 25 years
Abode: Pendleton
Buried by: W. B. Marsden
Register: Burials 1846 - 1850, Page 165, Entry 1317
Source: LDS Film 1545552

Nice one, maddie. I didn't bother looking at LancsOPC, as the OP said she always looks there.

Baptism: 29 Jul 1855 St George, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
William Barber - Son of William Barber & Martha
Abode: Whit Lane
Occupation: Miner
Notes: P
Baptised by: Hy. Harmer
Register: Baptisms 1854 - 1858, Page 5, Entry 33
Source: Manchester Central Library

Baptism: 28 Oct 1860 St Thomas, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barber - Daughter of William Barber & Martha
Abode: Pendleton
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: E. Wanklyn, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1867, Page 112, Entry 893
Source: Manchester Central Library

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Gwen

Use the above site for MMN when it isn't recorded on LancsBMD

Very easy to use, and FREE

Also for age at death pre-1869

For our reference:

William Barber
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: William Barber
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1835
Marriage Date: 20 Nov 1854
Marriage Place: Ancoats, St Andrew, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: John Barber, mechanic
Spouse: Emma Hayer

Emma, age 18, factory operative.
Father: William Hayes, factory operative.

Witnesses: Samuel Smith and Mary Smith.

Address of both William and Emma: 2 Dryden Street.

Looks to be this couple who had William in 1855?

Marriage: 1 Dec 1850 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
William Barber - (X), of full age, Labourer, Widower, Ford Lane, Pendleton
Martha Booth - (X), of full age, Spinster, Broughton Lane, Pendleton
Groom's Father: Thomas Barber, Moulder
Bride's Father: Robert Booth, Collier
Witness: James Holt; Alice Taylor, (X)
Married by Banns by: W. Marsden
Register: Marriages 1850 - 1851, Page 146, Entry 291
Source: Manchester Central Library

William not with them in 1861 though

Record Transcription:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
48, Whit Lane, Pendleton, Salford, Lancashire, England

William Barber Head Married Male 37 1824 Collier Salford, Lancashire, England
Martha Barber Wife - Female 32 1829 - Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Samuel Barber Son - Male 9 1852 Scholar Pendleton, Lancashire, England ( MMN Booth)
Hannah Barber Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barber Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Pendleton, Lancashire, England (MMN Booth)

EDIT to add possibly this death relates to the birth BARBER, WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 4

Yes it's mainly the birth for William Barber (the baby) Born 1855 in salford that I need confirming ..

Then surely you didn't need it confirming ?? The results posted are from those sites. Or is it actually only the birth of William you wanted confirming and not the marriage.

Where did you get Emma's age at marriage from if not the marriage certificate ?

Where are the family in 1861 - what children are with them?

Mmm She was stated as being 19 yrs old when she married William Barber :-S

Thank you greyghost...yes the sights you mentioned are always my first port of call.. :-)

Try this site for Lancs - FREE to search
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARBER William HAYES Emma Ancoats, St. Andrew Archives+, Manchester Central Library 16/1/182

also try another freebie - http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

mmn not always shown
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
BARBER William Pendleton Salford PEN/20/84

which could be this one, so not yours -
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes (also free to search)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, WILLIAM BOOTH
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 2

No penalty for not registering until mid 1870's OR ? Emma previously married so Hayes not maiden name

Please could someone confirm This info for me :Marriage: William Barber Married Emma Hayes December Q 1854 in salford ….and that William Barber:Born September Quarter 1855 in Salford is there son