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Its ok Rambling...William was away in the army by 61..Thats why I thought ide ask for emma on the 1861 census..as she has dissapeard Not unless the death in Manchester December quarter of 1858 is her

I looked at that but it's not her as on the GRO it gives age at death BARBER, EMMA 0
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 115

Not this one either BARBER, EMMA 5
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 22

Nor either of the 2 in 1864, both babes.

I know it's a different spelling but might be worth looking at ?

BARBER, MARY mmn HEYES
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in ASHTON UNDERLYNE Volume 08D Page 429
BARBER, SARAH ANN HEYES
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 08D Page 457

edit
death BARBER, MARY 0
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 08D Page 369

I see that you have the name 'Henshall' on your research list - can you tell me how that connects to your William please?

Thanks,

Dea x

Morning Dee
Yes Jane Reynolds (my 3x great nan was married three times: 1st marriage to:George Lewis in 1864,Manchester...2nd Marriage to John Henshall at the register office in Rochdale in 1875 Then to William Barber in 1882 in Salford....I never knew if George Lewis died or they just separated..John henshall on the other hand did die( I am aware of this)
jane and Willian Barber..Must have just seperated as she states she is a widow on 1881 census...(But she isn't as William is still alive and kicking :-D

Morning Ladies ...Thanks for the info Rambling :-)

Could the Surname of HAYES be of Irish decent or other nationality, it's been racking my brain..Iv'e been dreaming it.eating it and sleeping it..I just cannot come to any conclusion what happened to Emma
:-S :-S :-S

is this emma in 1841
Name: Emma Hayes
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View image
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
Neighbors:
Piece: 583
Book: 13
Folio: 36
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hayes 40
William Hayes 20
Jane Hayes 15
John Hayes 13
Emma Hayes 5

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William
Last name Hayes
Name note -
Marriage year 1819
Marriage date 22 Aug 1819
Marriage place Manchester
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Williams
Residence Manchester, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Country England

I don't want to complicate things but 2 Dryden st 1861 is this Elizabeth a second wife? EDIT No she's the widow of James Barber ( married 1850)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Dryden Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England


Henry Mc Brough Head Unmarried Male 21 1840 Bricklayer Deptford, Lancashire, England
John Albiston Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 Iron Grinder Manchester, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barber Boarder Widow Female 30 1831 House Keeper Manchester, Lancashire, England
Agnes Barber Boarders Daughter Unmarried Female 9 1852 Servant Manchester, Lancashire, England
Emma Barber Boarders Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jane Barber Boarders Daughter Unmarried Female 3 1858 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370973

Maddie I am going with that 1841 census you posted...Could it be that Mary is a widow ? I can't remember if I asked for a 1851 census Re: Emma ..If I did I will check past queries
Many thanks Gwen
Oh almost forgot...1851 material from Hulme /Chorlton was water damaged.. :-S

Hiya :-) Please could someone be so kind as to do me a look-up for the death's for William barber's parents :John Barber abt 1801 and Ann Barber abt 1797
Many thanks
They are living on London Road,Lanc's, Salford on the 1841 census

NO IT'S OK I AM SEARCHING ON FAMILY SEARCH AND I THINK I HAVE FOUND THEM :-)

Oooo Poo!
Please could some-one look up1851 census info for John and Ann barber (above) ^^^^
please..Sorry if im,e a bit of a difficult customer <3

Look for the deaths yourself on freebmd, then cross-refer with the GRO site for ages at death

You say they were living on London Road, Salford in 1841.

They were actually living in Pump Street, Manchester, per the census image.

However, I don't see any deaths of an Ann Barber in Manchester or Salford, 1841-51, and none of the John Barbers who died in Manchester or Salford 1841-51 are of an age to fit with the age on the 1841 census.

Can't see them yet in 1851.

John Barber
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name:
John Barber
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1851
Event Place:
South Ranceby, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District:
Sleaford
Gender:
Male
Age:
50
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Farmer Of 400 Acres (Employing 5 Labourers)
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Birth Year (Estimated):
1801
Birthplace:
South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
Page Number:
18
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
2101 / 101
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Barber Head Male 50 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
Ann Barber Wife Female 44 Kirkby Laythorpe, Lincolnshire
Ann Trimnell Barber Daughter Female 22 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
John Fisher Barber Son Male 20 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
William Barber Son Male 16 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
Charles Barber Son Male 12 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire
Leonard Barber Son Male 9 South Rauceby, Lincolnshire

I think it would help to look back here?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370973

from that the sons were here in 1851 would suggest parents were deceased maybe?

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Walkdens Court, Manchester, Lancashire, England


Sarah Edwards Head Widowed Female 46 1805 House Keeper Shropshire, England
Thomas Edwards Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Edwards Dau Unmarried Female 0 1851 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 15 1836 Piecer In Cotton Factory Manchester, Lancashire, England <<<<<
Thomas Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 14 1837 Drawing ? Office Manchester, Lancashire, England <<<<<
Charles Barber Lodger Unmarried Male 11 1840 At Home Manchester, Lancashire, England<<<<<<<

Remembering that ages on the 1841 are not very accurate?

BARBER, JOHN 40
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 20 Page 595

Ann could have married again?