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Missing birth cert for Barbara O'Mahoney/Hall

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 01:36

I think this is "Mrs Irwin", going by the various clues in earlier posts:

Mary Irwin
in the U.S., Find a GraveĀ® Index, 1600s-Current
Name Mary Irwin
Maiden Name Begley
Gender Female
Birth Date 1850
Birth Place Ireland
Death Date 28 Mar 1930
Death Place Saint Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida, United States of America
Cemetery Royal Palm South Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Saint Petersburg, Pinellas County, Florida, United States of America


The findagrave entry has a newspaper obituary attached.

It says Mrs Mary Irwin, 80, died suddenly at her home. . . . .
"She had been a resident here for eight years, coming from Dublin, Ireland, to make her home with her nephew, Judge John L Viney."

Besides her nephew she was survived by 3 sisters, Miss Rebecca Begeley of Philadelphia, Mrs Margaret Aischlman of Paris, France, and Mrs Elizabeth Reid, of Wolverhampton, England. Also a brother, George Begley, of Liverpool, England.

"For more than 50 years she devoted her life to social welfare and educational work, and her former pupils hold positions of dignity and importance, not only in Great Britain, but also in America, Asia, Africa, and the dominions beyond the seas."

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 09:15

Mary Begley's marriage:

SR District/Reg Area - Stranorlar
Marriage of JOHN IRWIN and MARY BEGLY
on 03 September 1879
Party 1 Name JOHN IRWIN
Party 2 Name MARY BEGLY
Date of Event 03 September 1879
Group Registration ID 2657430
SR District/Reg Area Stranorlar


3 Sept 1879, at Parish Church, Stranorlar, Donegal.
Mary Begly, full age, spinster, "reader's daughter or schoolmistress".
Address: Augha Shiel, Stranorlar.
Father: John Begly, scripture reader.

John Irwin, full age, bachelor, schoolmaster.
Address: The Coombe, Dublin.
Father: John Irwin, merchant.

Witnesses: Margaret Begley and Joseph Colhoun.




Mary Irwin
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name Mary Irwin
Gender Female
Age 61
Birth Year abt 1850
Birth Place Co Clare
Residence Date 2 Apr 1911
House Number 2.2
Townland/Street Grand Canal Street, South Side
District South Dock
County Dublin
Country Ireland
Electoral District South Dock
Literacy Read and write
Marital Status Widow
Occupation Matron of Institution <<<<<<<<<<<< [ Boys' home ]
Religion Church of Ireland
Relationship Head
URL
Household Members (Name) Age
Mary Irwin 61 - Head
Jane Jackson 54 - Assistant matron
Joseph Roberts 25 - Master
Sarah Latimer 37 - Servant, cook


The House and Buildings Return form for 1911 says there were 75 people in the Boys' Home. 72 males and 3 females, presumably the three listed above.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 09:23

Mary Irwin
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name Mary Irwin
Gender Female
Marital Status Widow
Age 51
Birth Date abt 1850
Birth Place Co Clare
Residence Date 31 Mar 1901
House Number 1.3
Residence Place Grand Canal Street, South Dock, Dublin, Ireland [Boarding school]
Relation to Head Head of Family (Head)
Occupation Matron
Religion Church of Ireland
Literacy Read and write
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Irwin 51 Head of Family (Head), matron, widow, Co Clare.
Jane Jackson 44 Boarder, teacher, single, England
Mary Anne Murphy 47 Boarder, domestic servant, widow, Louth


Ragged Boys School, Grand Canal Street:
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/DublinRaggedBoys/

The Coombe, Dublin :
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/DublinCoombe/

[ John Irwin's address at marriage was The Coombe - though not necessarily the children's home ]

Other homes under same management:
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/DublinSmyly/

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 09:43

Mary Irwin
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name Mary Irwin
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Irish
Marital Status Widowed
Age 71
Birth Date abt 1850
Birth Place Ireland
Other Birth Place Corofin [Co Clare ] <<<<<
Last Known Residence Dublin, Ireland
Departure Port Liverpool, England
Arrival Date 19 Sep 1921
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Ireland
Final Destination St. Petersburg, Florida
Years in US 1 Year
Citizenship Intention No
Height 5 Feet, 5 Inches
Hair Color Gray
Eye Color Blue
Complexion Fair
Money in Possession $400
Person in Old Country Mrs Read [ sister; 46 Michicon Rd, Dublin ]
Person in Old Country Residence Ireland
Person in US Mrs Viney [Sarah, sister, St Petersburg, Florida ]
Ship Name Baltic

Above record says she was previously in the USA, in NY, in 1904.

Mary Irwin
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name Mary Irwin
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality English
Age 54
Birth Date abt 1850
Departure Port Liverpool, England
Arrival Date 28 May 1904
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Great Britain
Ship Name Lucania

Superintendent of Institution.
Travelling to sister and brother-in-law Mr & Mrs Viney, The Cedars, Charlottesville, Virginia.
BUT her name's scored out on that record.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 09:47

However, it's not scored out on this one:

Mary Irwin
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name Mary Irwin
Gender Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality Irish
Age 54
Birth Date abt 1850
Departure Port Liverpool, England
Arrival Date 28 May 1904
Arrival Port New York, New York, USA
Residence Place Ireland
Ship Name Lucania

Occupation: housekeeper.
Widow, Irish.
Going to her sister Mrs John Viney , The Cedars, Charlottesville.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Aug 2023 10:23

Mary's husband's death:

SR District/Reg Area - Dublin South

Death of JOHN IRWIN in 1898
Name JOHN IRWIN
Date of Death 1898 [ 31 Oct 1898, at Grand Canal St School ]
Group Registration ID 4302184
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
Deceased Age at Death 52

Married, schoolmaster.
Cause of death: Hepatic disease, convulsions.
Informant: Elizabeth Johnston, 80 Leinster Road.


Mary and John don't seem to have had any children.


However, as Mary's not related to Barbara, this doesn't answer any of the questions about Barbara!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2023 08:43



SALE OF WORK. Will (D.V.) [be] held in THE BOYS HOME., GRAND CANAL STREET, WEDNESDAY and THURSDAY, MAY and 31st.
Gifts of Work for the Stalls are earnestly requested, and may sent for any of the Stallholders MISS A D. SMYLY, [?] Grattan street, or MRS. IRWIN, Boys Home, Grand Canal Street
Published: Saturday 26 May 1906
Newspaper: Dublin Daily Express

Other similar articles in other years mention that it was an annual event to raise funds, as the Home was dependent on charitable donations.



Nicola

Nicola Report 21 Aug 2023 11:21

Thank you all

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2023 13:00

You said, "Barbara mentioned a cousin Muriel Stuart ".

Is there any indication of when that was?
Muriel's age, roughly?
English or Irish?
Was Stuart her maiden name or married name?

What did Barbara say about her?

Just a vain hope! I don't suppose you have any info on any of that!

I'm assuming that Barbara referred to her as "Muriel Stuart", and that you have considered Muriel Irwin Stuart simply because of the name Irwin.

Nicola

Nicola Report 22 Aug 2023 21:13

Muriel Stuart was supposedly Barbara's cousin and because she mentioned her along with Katherine Tynan it was assumed it was Muriel Irwin Stuart the poet but this seems unlikely because Veronica (Barbara's daughter) went to visit Muriel in northern Ireland possibly Belfast in 1962. During the latest discoveries a lace doily was found with a note saying present from cousin Muriel 1962 and Veronica remembers it. I will send you a pic.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Aug 2023 10:07

Photo of note and lace received, thanks.

It's a pity the note doesn't specify where in Ireland this happened!
Veronica only calls her "Muriel, Mum's cousin" - no surname.

In your post on 3 April 2019, at 23:02, you say "the only other name mentioned as a possible aunt is Murial Stewart".

So we don't know if she was an aunt or a cousin. As a child, Veronica may have misunderstood the relationship.

Nor do we know the correct spelling of her name.
I take it that Barbara's mention of her was verbal, and that there's nothing written?

Kay????

Kay???? Report 23 Aug 2023 21:09

Newspapers,
July 3rd 1916,

Westminster Gazette,,a MrsTynan O'Mahoney gives a talk........on the Irish Rebellion in Dublin......credits needed to view.