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This is a challenge, Barbara Hall married Cuthbert J Griffin Dec 1936 in Pocklington, England. On the 1911 Irish Census a Barbara Hall was a boarder aged 3 in the household of John and Rebecca Forbes,the family are sure that her name was O'Mahoney. I saved this file years ago, don't know where it came from.
Notes for BARBARA O MAHONEY:
Barbara's birth certificate was destroyed in a fire in Dublin, Ireland where it was kept. She was a child at the time
was unable to trace any details. Her children were told that her mother was Irish and her father English Her maiden
told, was O'Mahoney. When she came to England, she called herself "Hall" She took the year of Cuthbert's birth as
took the birthday and month of Phillip's birth ( taken from a note from Angela Branson, Cuthbert's daughter.

Other info from the family is that Barbara had relative Katherine Tynan Hinkson, who was a poet from Dublin born 1861, Katherine married Henry Albert Hinkson 1893 Kingston, UK.
Would love to be able to find Barbara O'Mahoney/Hall Birth and reason for the name change to Hall.
Thanks

What was her declared age on the marriage certificate please? Did she name her father on it?

Have you found her on the 1939 register?

Griffin on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Griffin Household (2 People)
7 Manson Mews , Kensington, London, England

Cuthbert Griffin
DOB
21 Jun 1908
SEX
Male
OCCUPATION
Chauffeur Mechanic Ten
MARITAL STATUS
Married
SCHEDULE
59
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
1

Barbara C Griffin
DOB
10 Feb 1908
SEX
Female
OCCUPATION
Photographer
MARITAL STATUS
Married
SCHEDULE
59
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
2
Ref: RG101/0309C/010/25 Letter Code: AMBZ
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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1936 (>99%)

Griffin Cuthbert J Hall Pocklington 9d 179
Hall Barbara Griffin Pocklington 9d 179


?? or are names a coincidence?

Griffin Household (2 People)
7 Manson Mews , Kensington, London, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Barbara C Griffin 10 Feb 1908 Female Photographer Married 59 2
Cuthbert Griffin 21 Jun 1908 Male Chauffeur Mechanic Ten Married 59 1

If this was to be Cuthbert's death

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

First name(s) CUTHBERT JOSEPH
Last name GRIFFIN
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 6
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 2000
District Kingston upon Thames
District number 2401B
Register number B71
Entry number 145
Date of registration mm/yy 0200
County Surrey

Probate
Surname First name Date of probate Probate number Date of death Document type Registry
GRIFFIN CUTHBERT JOSEPH 05 July 2000 456168 26 February 2000 Grant and will London
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then is this Barbara - either this or the 1939 register is out by a couple of days
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007


First name(s) BARBARA
Last name GRIFFIN
Gender Female
Birth day 12
Birth month 2
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1995
District Surrey North Western
District number 7581A
Register number RA41
Entry number 270
Date of registration mm/yy 0895
County Surrey

The 1911 census referred to -

Residents of a house 5 in Milltown (Ballymagorry, Tyrone)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Forbes John 47 Male Head of Family Presbeterian Co Tyrone Farm Labourer Read and write - Married - 11 4 2
Forbes Rebecca 38 Female Wife Presbeterian Co Tyrone - Read and write - Married - 11 4 2
Forbes Donald 5 Male Son Presbeterian Co Tyrone - - - - - - - -
Forbes John Male Son Presbeterian Co Tyrone - - - - - - - -
Love Sarah 8 Female Boarder Presbeterian Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write - - - - - -
Hall Barbara 3 Female Boarder Presbeterian Dublin - - - - - - - -

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords

Not seeing a birth registered for a Barbara Hall or for a Barbara "anything" February 1908 +/- 2 years

If you take the age at 1911 census (taken 2nd April) to be correct then she should have been born April 3rd 1907 to April 2nd 1908.

There are 44 birth registrations showing for Barbara's between those dates in Ireland, but no O'Mahoney's or Hall's.
2 in Dublin -
Barbara Newcombe mmn Chambers b 25.5.1907
Barbara Morrow Ryan mmn Kenny b 13.6.1907

Found this by Googling -

,John O’Mahony was also, through his marriage to Honora (Nora) Tynan on 29 April 1895, the beloved brother-in-law of writer Katherine Tynan (1861-1931)'


http://tinyurl.com/y27kbmyz

All the info you have found is the right person and pretty much as much as I have managed to find. Thinking that the info I had about Barbara not knowing her parents and choosing to use her husbands year of birth is correct. But she was using the Hall surname in 1911 when she was 3 and living with the Forbes household. What was her connection to the Forbes? and where did the name O'Mahoney come from? Can't find a connection to Katerine Tynan Hickson either, the only other name mentioed as a possible aunt is Murial Stewart. Will keep looking. Thanks all

Marriage of the couple Barbara is boarding with in 1911 - just in case there is any connection

Party 1 Name JOHN FORBES
Party 2 Name REBECCA MARSHALL
Date of Event 01 June 1899
Group Registration ID 2390031
SR District/Reg Area Strabane
Image(s) 1 2

John 35 Bachelor Labourer residing at Leckpatrick (Derry diocese) s/o Samuel a Labourer
Rebecca Full age Spinster of Artigarvan (Strabane, Co Tyrone) d/o Robert a FArmer

Witnesses - Robert Campbell and Katherine Forbes

Records lost in the 1922 fire:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ireland_Record_Loss

I think this is John and Rebecca in 1901 (original could well be Rebecca) and they are in Artigarvan, her residence at time of marriage. Son Robert named for her Father ?

Residents of a house 9 in Artigarvan (Ballymagorry, Tyrone)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Cox Oliver 88 Male Head of Family Prespitarian Church
Forbes John 36 Male Boarder Church of Ireland
Forbes Rebina 26 Female Wife Church of Ireland
Forbes Robert M 9 months Male Son Church of Ireland

Robert Forbes mmn Marshall b 3.6.1900 Strabane RD - image shows b Artigarvan

Possibly John Forbes birth -

Name JOHN FORBIS
Date of Birth 1864
Group Registration ID 8194692
SR District/Reg Area Strabane

Image shows b 13.2.1864 at Leck
Father Samuel a Sexton and Mother Anne nee Martin

That's me for tonight.

From the 1911 census, I would guess that Sarah Love (whose birth I can't find either) and Barbara Hall were orphans "boarded out" with the family.

Not necessarily any blood connection.

If her birth record was indeed destroyed in the fire (although from various Google results it looks as if civil birth records weren't involved) , then there will be no record to find.

Did she have 4 daughters

one born A/M/J 1943 in Surrey
V2a P892 mum nee Hall

Another with the same name J/F/M 1943 Watford Hertfordshire V3a P2087 mum nee O'Mahoney. this could be the couple Michael Griffin married April 1942 in Watford to Anastasia O'Mahoney


I haven't put first name as they maybe still alive,but they have same name and year of birth but born different place and different mums maiden name.
3 other girls have mums maiden name Hall.

The John Omahoney and Nora Tynan he died 1904.


Maryb.

1911 records her name as Hall - she wasn't old enough to give the info herself, so that must have been the name the Forbes family were given for her

Where does the suggestion come from that her name was ever anything other than Hall?

Is there any solid reason for this line of thought?

Rootgatherer asked you if Barbara had named a father on her marriage cert.

What is the answer, Please?

Someone named Lauren has Barbara on her GR tree. Is that someone you know about?

I have no hard evidence that her name was O'Mahoney but the family always knew that was her name before Hall. Anastasia O'Mahoney married Michael Griffin in Watford 1942 (Barbara & Cuthbert's daughter was born in Watford 1943) must be a connection but the family know nothing about these names. Will message Lauren as she has both Cuthbert and Barbara on her tree.