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3 Apr 2019 08:17 |
Thanks Rootgatherer, you could be right.
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2 Apr 2019 23:19 |
There's a bit here about Womenswold / Wymyneswold etc. Could be that William Lee's birthplace has been Mistranscribed as Woolwich. rather than Woolage?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womenswold
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2 Apr 2019 23:08 |
Ada Charlotte Lee's brother in 1891.
Transcription: 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census The Rectory, Barfreston, Eastry, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George W Goldsack Head Married Male 35 1856 Agricultural Labourer Guston, Kent, England Isabel Goldsack Wife Married Female 34 1857 - St Peter's, Kent, England George Goldsack Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Guston, Kent, England Isabel Goldsack Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Guston, Kent, England Annie Goldsack Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Guston, Kent, England Florence Goldsack Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Kent, England Thomas Nash Boarder Single Male 23 1868 Farm Servant Little Mongeham, Kent, England Frederick Dawkins Boarder Single Male 19 1872 Farm Servant Kent, England William Hughes Boarder Single Male 18 1873 Farm Servant Ash, Kent, England Richard Appleton Boarder Single Male 16 1875 Farm Servant Nonington, Kent, England William Lee Boarder Single Male 15 1876 Farm Servant Wymeswold, Kent, England
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2 Apr 2019 22:42 |
Am I missing something here please? If the Annie on the 1911 census is the niece of Ada Charlotte And daughter of William, surely Ada's brother is William Bell Lee not William Henry Lee?
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2 Apr 2019 17:04 |
Thanks again everyone for your help. Thought I’d deleted that baptism for Annie.
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2 Apr 2019 16:42 |
Annie Elizabeth's birth cert would tell you who her parents were - yes.
I meant that it wouldn't tell you who William and Mary/Emma's parents were.
This is Annie's birth record, for our reference:
LEE, ANNIE ELIZABETH mms COOKE GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in YARMOUTH GREAT YARMOUTH Volume 04B Page 6
You have this baptism record {below} on your tree, as being Annie's, but that's not correct. If she was born in July 1899, her birth would have been registered earlier than the first quarter 1900:
England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980 Name Annie Lee Gender Female Christening Age 0 Birth Date 20 Jul 1899 Christening Date 6 Aug 1899 Christening Place Sprowston, Norfolk, England Father William Lee Mother Mary Ann Lee Search Photos Sprowston, Norfolk, England
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That baptism is of this child:
LEE, ANNIE mms BUTLER GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in ST FAITHS Volume 04B Page 106
Sprowston is in St Faiths reg district.
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2 Apr 2019 16:16 |
I’m pretty sure that’s Martha’s as there’s a baptism record.
Henry’s birth certificate shows no father.
His marriage certificate says Richard, fisherman. Address on there shows Row 45 Great Yarmouth.
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2 Apr 2019 16:12 |
his lady also in the workhouse 1851 Name: Elizabeth Cook Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Pauper Gender: Female Where born: Martham, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Yarmouth Sub-registration district: Yarmouth Northern ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse
ELIZABETH Last name COOK Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year - Age - Death quarter 2 Death year 1863 District Flegg County Norfolk Volume 4B Page 19 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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2 Apr 2019 16:11 |
Yes Maddie that’s right Martha my gg grandmother. Henry was born in the workhouse too. It also looks like Martha’s mother died not long after Martha was born.
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2 Apr 2019 16:05 |
Yes that’s is what I mean, surely the birth certificate for Annie Elizabeth Lee would tell me who are parents were. Sorry ArgyllGran I’m confused.
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2 Apr 2019 16:03 |
if this martha she had a hard time
MARTHA Last name COOK Birth year 1851 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Cook District Yarmouth County Norfolk Country England Volume 13 Page 421
1851 Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England ----- workhouse Martha Last name Cook Relationship Pauper Marital status - Sex Female Age 0 Birth year 1851 Occupation Nile Birth place England Birth town Yarmouth Birth town as transcribed Yarmouth Birth county Norfolk Birth county as transcribed Norfolk Street - Town - Parish Great Yarmouth City - County Norfolk Hamlet - Parliamentary borough Great Yarmouth Municipal ward New North Ward Registration district Yarmouth Archive reference HO107 Piece number 1806 Folio 827 Page 10
1871 Neaves Buildings, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England William Grimmer Head - Male 21 1850 - Norfolk, England Mary A Grimmer Wife - Female 23 1848 - Norfolk, England Ann Knights Mother-In-Law - Female 72 1799 - Norfolk, England Martha Cook Boarder - Female 20 1851 - Norfolk, England Edward Knights Boarder - Male 12 1859 - Norfolk, England
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2 Apr 2019 15:59 |
It wouldn't tell you who their parents were, if that's what you mean
Does Mary's/Emma's brother Henry's marriage cert give a father's name? I know Martha was still unmarried when he was born.
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2 Apr 2019 15:46 |
Yes that’s mine. Do you think ordering the birth certificate for there first child will help? As I know it them in 1901 I have Mary’s brothers Henry birth certificate and marriage certificate.
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2 Apr 2019 15:27 |
There's a tree (Harper Family Tree) owned by jeneilam, who last logged in today. Is that yours?
What is it you want to know ?
The tree gives Mary Ann (Emma)'s name as Mary Anne Elizabeth, and her husband as William Henry Lee 1877.
One piece of proof offered is the 1899 marriage cert for Mary Ann Emma to William (no middle name), which has been posted on this thread.
However, Mary Ann Emma was illegitimate if her mother's maiden surname was Cook(e), but the marriage banns record gives her father's name as Henry. Invented for respectability ?
Mary Ann Elizabeth was certainly illegitimate - if she's the same person. Do you have a copy of the birth cert?
COOK, MARY ANN ELIZABETH - GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK Volume 04B Page 26
Martha Cook in the 1881 England Census Name: Martha Cook Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Gender: Female Where born: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: 6 St Nicholas Place St Nicholas Road Occupation: Silk Winder Registration district: Yarmouth Sub registration district: Yarmouth Northern ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 1913 Folio: 37 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age William Grimmer 31 Mary A. Grimmer 34 Martha Cook 29 - unmarried Mary A. Cook 4
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2 Apr 2019 14:36 |
Thanks for your help everyone. Still not sure where to go with all this.
I do know Marys Mum Martha Cook is on a public ancestry tree.
Could someone have a look for me please if they have access.
Would my own tree come up in hints ?
March Cook born 22 Feb 1851 Great Yarmouth.
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2 Apr 2019 13:55 |
Not sure if the service records posted by Maddie referred to your William. If your William was the brother of Ada Charlotte, the age doesn't match unless he lied about his age to enlist. Always a possibility of course.
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2 Apr 2019 13:50 |
On the image of the 1939 register, this lady is listed as Mary A. E. Lee and is widowed not married.
REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Lee Household (1 Person) 40 River Street , Dover M.B., Kent, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
Mary E A Lee DOB 13 May 1880 SEX Female OCCUPATION Household Duties MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 95 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1 Ref: RG101/1714E/009/07 Letter Code: DHLH © Findmypast Ltd
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2 Apr 2019 13:48 |
Sorry Maddie only just seen you post, not come across the before, what am I looking at
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2 Apr 2019 13:38 |
Thanks ArgllGran.
Not researched in a while, but the 1911census for William and Emma seems to fit. Its looks they did have three children and one died in 1902. I know for definite that the 1901 census is correct. The address is the same as on Henry's marriage certificate who is my g grandfather.
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2 Apr 2019 13:36 |
First name(s) WILLIAM B Last name LEE Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1876 Age 59 Death quarter 2 Death year 1935 District Dover County Kent Volume 2A Page 1456 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Collections from Great Britain, England (c) brightsolid online publishing ltd
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