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Thank you all so much for this. We had visitors overnight so I'm only now getting back here. I'm going to read and digest it all. I'm very grateful.

Annie

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1861 Census

Name: Ann Davies
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: David Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaufort, Breconshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Beaufort
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 35
:
Piece: 4218
Folio: 31
Page Number: 7

David Davies 27 b.ca 1834, Beaufort, Brecon, Iron Miner Haulier
Ann Davies 25
John Davies 1/12 b.ca 1861, Beaufort

Address:- 3 Well Street


No John Davies with mmn Thomas registered in Crickhowell, but there is one with mmn Jones????

DAVIES, JOHN mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in CRICKHOWELL Volume 11B Page 135

I do NOT think that the marriage malyon posted is correct. It is both earlier and in a different county!!!!.................

This is that marriage from FMP ...............

Breconshire Marriage and Banns

First name(s) Ann
Last name Thomas
Birth year -
Event year 1860
Banns year 1860
Banns date 29 Jan 1860
Marriage year -
Marriage place Llywel
Residence Llywel
Spouse's first name(s) David
Spouse's last name Davies
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's residence Llywel
County Breconshire
Country Wales
Event Banns
Page 144
Record set Breconshire Marriages And Banns

from image:-
both of this Parish
Banns called 29th January, 5th and 12th February 1860



It looks as though this Ann had been married before but says she was a Spinster on the image of the certificate

Marriage ..................

First name(s) Ann
Last name Thomas <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age Full
Birth year -
Event year 1860
Banns year -
Marriage year 1860
Marriage date 13 Feb 1860
Marriage place Llywel
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Jones <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's first name(s) David
Spouse's last name Davies
Spouse's age Full
Spouse's birth year -
Spouse's father's last name Davies
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
County Breconshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Record set Breconshire Marriages And Banns

from image:-
David
Full Age
Bachelor
Occupation:- Servant
Father Occupation:- Farmer
I can't read his place of residence

Ann
Full Age
Spinster
Father occupation:- Farmer
I can't read her place of residence either!

Witnesses:- Rees Thomas and Mary Price

Kuros .............

the GRO Index with mmn is relatively new ................ about 2 years since they put it up.

It's invaluable!!!

if this is david's marriage to ann in 1860 he would be only 17 years on the marriage it says age full so could he have been born before 1843

David Davies
Wales, Brecknockshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912

Name: David Davies
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Feb 1860
Event Place: Llywel, Brecknockshire, Wales
Age: Full
Spouse's Name: Ann Thomas

Llangunider is the anglicised spelling for Llangynidr. Trefil Row was actually in Beaufort but the sub-registration was Llangattock. This also gives David's birthplace as Cardiganshire in North Wales but everywhere else says Llandeilo in Carmarthenshire. I have found him with his parents in earlier censuses. Thank you for looking.

Annie

1871 census with places of birth.

Your OP says David born Carmarthenshire, but here it says Cardiganshire but no specific place ?

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Trevil Row, Llangattock, Crickhowell, Breconshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Davies Head - Male 28 1843 - Cardiganshire, Wales
Ann Davies Wife - Female 28 1843 - Beaufort, Breconshire, Wales
Lewis Davies Son - Male 6 1865 - Beaufort, Breconshire, Wales
John Davies Son - Male 4 1867 - Beaufort, Breconshire, Wales
Mary Anne Davies Daughter - Female 2 1869 - ? LLangynidr Breconshire, Wales

original looks like Llangunider, but google suggests as above

All the years I've been doing this and I never knew you could search the GRO like that! Thank you.

Annie

GRO site - You have to register but it's free. Give mmn back to start of registration Q3 1837 and age at death from then too. If no mmn shown, usually indicates illegitimate birth.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

DAVIES, LEWIS THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in CRICKHOWELL Volume 11B Page 119

Lots of other possible births - can't all be theirs, but Davies/Thomas is going to be a common combination.

Cross reference with possible deaths and look for others in next census.

I didn't know you can search with MMN as early as that. Thanks.


Annie

Lewis’s birth was registered. Look on the GRO website for possible earlier birth using MMN and registration district as criteria

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Name: Ann Davies
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: David Davies
Gender: Female
Where born: Beaufort, Brecknockshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Beaufort
Town: Prisk
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 5586
Folio: 43
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
David Davies 28
Ann Davies 28
Lewis Davies 6
John Davies 4
Mary Anne Davies


Here they are in 1871. Mary Anne was two years old but for some reason that hasn't come out here. We don't know of anywhere round here called Prisk so assume that's a mistake.

Can someone please help with this? I'm really stumped. I'm looking for these on the 1861 census.

David Davies, born about 1843 in Carmarthenshire.
Wife, Ann, nee Thomas, born in Beaufort, Breconshire in 1843. Married in Bedwellty district in J-M 1860.

They lived in all censuses in Lower Square, Beaufort or Trefil Row. David died in Trefil Row in 1871 and Ann married Richard Cox in 1883. I have David's death cert and Ann's marriage to Richard. I know from her marriage cert to Richard that Ann's maiden name was Thomas.

The first recorded birth of a child to Ann and David was Lewis in 1865. I suspect there was at least one child before this because of the length of time they'd been married.

I'd be glad if someone has time to take a peek for me.

Annie