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29 Mar 2019 17:22 |
Do you have the marriage certificate of James and Margaret please? That may confirm James's father's name and occupation.
If you look on the GRO site for births of James Henry Eccleston born 1885 +/- 2 years there is only one that gave a mmn and I think he died ages 17 months. So, I'm think that either your James added Henry as a middle name or he was illegitimate. Have you found him listed as James Henry on either the 1901 or 1891 census please?
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27 Mar 2019 21:44 |
1939 Register
Eccleston Household (2 People)
213 Hope Carr Road , Leigh M.B., Lancashire, England
Eliza A Eccleston 05 Nov 1914 Female Cotton Bobbin Winde Weaving Mill Married 335 2 Arthur Eccleston 03 Oct 1912 Male Coal Packer Below Grou Coal Mine Heavy Worke Married 335 1
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27 Mar 2019 21:37 |
Will Arthur Eccleston born 1912 in Leigh and married Eliza Morgan in 1938 be on the 1939 register thanks Phil
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27 Mar 2019 20:51 |
?? 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Makinson Head Married Male 32 1819 Coal Miner Adlington, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Makinson Wife Married Female 30 1821 Domestic Duties Lancashire, England Thomas Makinson Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 Drawer Coal Miner Lancashire, England Ellen Makinson Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1841 Sweeper Cotton Mill Chorley, Lancashire, England James Makinson Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 Scholar Lancashire, England Nancy Makinson Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1849 At Home Lancashire, England
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Red Bank, Chorley, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place William MacKinson Male 22 1819 Lancashire, England Collier Betty MacKinson Female 25 1816 Lancashire, England Thomas MacKinson Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England Ellen MacKinson Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England
You would need Andrew and Ellen's MC to confFather's names and occupations
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27 Mar 2019 20:47 |
?? Ellen in 1861 - note address as per Andrew and Ellen 1871
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stoney Lane, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Tootle Head Married Male 44 1817 Coal Miner Baughurst, Lancashire, England Maria Tootle Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Bolton, Lancashire, England Richard Tootle Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Coal Miner Bolton, Lancashire, England John Tootle Son Unmarried Male 17 1844 Coal Miner Ringley, Lancashire, England James Tootle Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Coal Miner Ringley, Lancashire, England Ellen Tootle Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1848 Carder In Cotton Mill Ringley, Lancashire, England Robert Tootle Son - Male 11 1850 Drawer In Coalpit Ringley, Lancashire, England Henry Tootle Son - Male 7 1854 Scholar Ringley, Lancashire, England Alice Tootle Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Ringley, Lancashire, England Peter Tootle Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Hindley, Lancashire, England Thomas Tootle Son - Male 2 1859 - Hindley, Lancashire, England Ellen Makinson Boarder Unmarried Female 20 1841 Works On Coalpit Brow Chorley, Lancashire, England
(there is also a George Makinson b 1830 with a wife Ellen in Stoney Lane)
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27 Mar 2019 20:40 |
1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Eccleston Household (3 People) 98 Firs Lane , Leigh M.B., Lancashire, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
James Eccleston DOB 07 May 1883. <<<<<<<<<< SEX Male OCCUPATION Coal Miner Retired MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 22 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1
Margaret Eccleston DOB 27 Dec 1884 SEX Female OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 22 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
John Eccleston DOB 29 Jul 1906 SEX Male OCCUPATION Colliery Worker Road Haula? MARITAL STATUS Single SCHEDULE 22 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3 Ref: RG101/4811J/003/34 Letter Code: NVRL © Findmypast Ltd
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27 Mar 2019 20:39 |
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William Eccleston mentioned in the record of William Eccleston and Betty Morris Name William Eccleston Spouse's Name Betty Morris Event Date 21 May 1832 Event Place Saint Peter,Bolton Le Moors,Lancashire,England
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27 Mar 2019 20:35 |
?? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Blundells Farm, Bolton, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place William Eccleston Male 30 1811 Lancashire, England Elizabeth Eccleston Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England Richard Eccleston Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England Joseph Eccleston Male 8 1833 Lancashire, England Mary Eccleston Female 5 1836 Lancashire, England Andrew Eccleston Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England
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27 Mar 2019 20:33 |
?? Are the Morris and Eccleston families related as Andrew is Andrew Morris Eccleston
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Brow Houses, Blackrod, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Morris Head Married Male 54 1797 Luarry Master (Stone) Anderton, Lancashire, England Alice Morris Wife Married Female 53 1798 - Blackrod, Lancashire, England William Barker Lodger Unmarried Male 29 1822 Engine Driver Coppull, Lancashire, England John Boardman Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1828 Farm Labourer Blackrod, Lancashire, England Andrew Eccleston Lodger Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar Blackrod, Lancashire, England
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27 Mar 2019 20:31 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stoney Lane, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Morris Eccleston Head - Male 33 1838 - Lancashire, England Ellen Eccleston Wife - Female 32 1839 - Lancashire, England Elizabeth Eccleston Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Lancashire, England Mary Eccleston Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England William Richard Eccleston Son - Male 4 1867 - Lancashire, England Joseph Eccleston Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England
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27 Mar 2019 20:29 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 18, Gennel Off Bridge Street, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew Eccleston Head Married Male 42 1839 Coal Miner Blackrod, Lancashire, England Ellen Eccleston Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Chorley, Lancashire, England Elizabeth A Eccleston Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Power Loom Cotton Weaver Hindley, Lancashire, England Mary Eccleston Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Cotton Mill Throstle Spinner Piecer Hindley, Lancashire, England William R Eccleston Son Single Male 14 1867 Cotton Mill Skavenger For Spinner Hindley, Lancashire, England Joseph Eccleston Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Hindley, Lancashire, England Thomas Eccleston Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Hindley, Lancashire, England Andrew N Eccleston Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Hindley, Lancashire, England Ann Eccleston Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Hindley, Lancashire, England Albert E Eccleston Son Single Male 0 1881 - Lancashire, England Agnes Ann Johnson Boarder Single Female 15 1866 Cotton Mill Throstle Spinner Doffer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Philip
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27 Mar 2019 20:15 |
Thanks everyone so much for your help
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27 Mar 2019 20:14 |
If correct family, then this could be the marriage.
1891 census age shows Ellen as 45 -ish if James is hers. However, possibly a child of a daughter Andrew and Ellen's ?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%) Birchall Richard Wigan 8c 27 Clementson Mary Ann Wigan 8c 27 Ecclestion Andrew Wigan 8c 27 Eccleston Andrew Wigan 8c 27 Makinson Ellen Wigan 8c 27
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ECCLESTON, ANDREW MORRIS MAKINSON GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 86
but no registration for Mary E with mmn Makinson, but one in wigan for a Mary Ellen no mmn showing
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27 Mar 2019 20:10 |
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Macclesfield Street, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Andrew M Eccleston Head Married Male 52 1839 Coal Miner Blackrod, Lancashire, England Ellen Eccleston Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Lancashire, England William R Eccleston Son Single Male 24 1867 Coal Miner Lancashire, England Joseph Eccleston Son Single Male 21 1870 Coal Miner Lancashire, England Thomas Eccleston Son Single Male 19 1872 Coal Miner Lancashire, England Andrew M Eccleston Son Single Male 16 1875 Coal Miner Hindley, Lancashire, England Anne Eccleston Daughter - Female 13 1878 Cotton Weaver Lancashire, England Mary E Eccleston Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Lancashire, England James Eccleston Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Lancashire, England
Original shows this James to be born in Hindley which is only about 2-3 miles from Wigan and 4-5 from Leigh
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27 Mar 2019 20:04 |
Gives birth year 1883 on 1939 register.
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ECCLESTON, JAMES HENRY - GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 101
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27 Mar 2019 20:04 |
that 1911 from FMP with places of birth and occupations
1911 Census For England & Wales 5 a 4 Shambles St Barnsley, Barnsley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Henry Eccleston Head Married Male 26 1885 Coal Miner Hewer Leigh Lancashire Margaret Eccleston Wife Married Female 26 1885 - Leigh Lancashire John Eccleston Son - Male 4 1907 - Leigh Lancashire Harold Eccleston Son - Male 3 1908 - Leigh Lancashire
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27 Mar 2019 20:00 |
Son George with grandparents -
1911 Census For England & Wales 33 Woolpack Inn King Street Leigh, Leigh, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George D Hudspith Head Married Male 64 1847 Beer Retailer Beerhousekeeper Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland Elizabeth Hudspith Wife Married Female 56 1855 Assists In The Business Ashton in Makerfield Lanc Jane Hudspith Daughter Single Female 34 1877 - Leigh Lancashire Esther Hudspith Niece Single Female 20 1891 - Haydock Lanc George Eccleston Grandson - Male 5 1906 - Leigh Lanc George Eccleston's Census Details
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27 Mar 2019 19:55 |
James Henry Eccleston in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Henry Eccleston
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leigh, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barnsley
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County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 5 House 4 Court Shamble St Barnsley Yorkshire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Barnsley
Registration District Number: 507
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 27573
Household Members: James Henry Eccleston 26 Margaret Eccleston 26 John Eccleston 4 Harold Eccleston 3
Married 6 years, 3 children born, all still living. There's a blank line between Margaret and John.
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27 Mar 2019 19:54 |
Arthur born Leigh so ? in same area 1911
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: ECCLESTON, ARTHUR HUDSPITH GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 547
ECCLESTON, HARRY HUDSPISH GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 445
Also ECCLESTON, JOHN HUDSPITH GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 309
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27 Mar 2019 19:51 |
Not found them yet but earlier children might help
ECCLESTON, GEORGE HUDSPITH GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 311 ECCLESTON, HAROLD HUDSPITH GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in OF LEIGH Volume 08C Page 259
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